Fairly new to the game of craps and play pretty basic. Bet the pass line with max odds and play the 6 and 8. So where I play has 10x odds on the back. If I have $25 on the line I play $250 behind. Let's say the point is 5. I'll bet $150 on 6 and $150 on 8. Then I'll have $275 on the pass.

So my strategy is when I hit a 6 or 8 I press that number by $30 and then I place $5 on the front of the pass and another $50 behind. I keep doing this until the point is made or the shooter craps out. Is this a sound strategy or a recipe for disaster?

You'll lower the house edge if you're going a full 10x, but in the end it won't matter, you'll still lose.

This is coming from someone who sits box 8-10 hours a night.

I've definitely seen worse strategies and I'm not saying yours is bad, in fact, you should do alright from time to time.

what are you planning on buying in for? 5K-10K?

Also, the term is seven out. No one craps out. Good luck w the strategy!!!



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this is a bad strategy. there are no good craps strategies. you are making negative expectation wagers and the longer you play the more likely it is you will lose your bankroll. best of luck.

I do agree that over the long run any strategy will lose. It's a game I enjoy playing and just trying to get the odds of losing down to the minimum. I try to stay away from the sucker bets like the field and hard ways.

Not sure what your bankroll is, but betting 10x odds and 2 numbers at 6x is very volatile. Are you prepared to go through $3k in 10 minutes? I would maybe take some of the place bets and put them on the sucker bets on the inside. For every $25 you take off your place bet you can throw $10 on a sucker bet and come out roughly the same EV-wise, and imo have more fun.

The "best" strategy is to bet don't pass and take full odds. That will give the house a 1% edge on the pass line action. The house has no edge on the odds bet. But both of these bets are bad bets. You should only bet when the odds are in your favour and when the odds are not in your favour or it is a no edge bet you should refuse to bet. The only reason you would ever want to make a bet which is not in your favour is to sucker someone into gambling with you when you have or will later have a much larger edge on them. This is the principle behind advertising plays in poker as well.

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you seriously could not keep reading to the end of the sentence? must be an MTV generation thing

(You should only bet when the odds are in your favour) and (when the odds are not in your favour or it is a no edge bet you should refuse to bet.)

Whatever you do, bet the min pass or don't pass and Max odds. That's the only thing you should do on a craps game.


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I understand that when you bet the Don't Pass and the point is established, the odds are in your favor.

Could you give us an example of "when the odds are not in your favour or it is a no edge bet you should refuse to bet."

The odds are not in your favour when you make the don't pass bet, which is really all we are concerned with.

The odds are in your favor after the point is established, true, but only for your don't pass bet, not for your odds or your place bets. Unfortunately they don't let you increase your don't pass bet after the come-out roll, and you are -EV on that bet on the come-out roll enough to make up for what you get back, making the whole bet -EV.

Did you read my entire post where I said "I understand that when you bet the Don't Pass, and the point is established the odds are in your favor." I never said that when you bet Don't Pass the odds are in your favor.

You were talking about making an odds bet.

You brought up the subject of when to make an odds bet. You can't make an odds bet until a point is established.

You still haven't explained or given an example when the odds are not in your favour or it is a no edge bet you should refuse to bet

In the past we used a particular and simple craps strategy which turned out to be extremely effective until we commenced to study baccarat that, imo, is by far the best game to try to beat.
Here is a summary of our strategy.

Of course the best bet is the don't pass bet, expecially whenever any point is established. :-)

DPB loses immediately after any 7 or 11 and wins immediately after any 2 or 3
Discounting 12 being a push (so we can discount this number as non existent at all), the probability to win at the first roll is 8.57% and the probability of losing at the first roll is 22.85%.

In a sense we should be concerned about the probability alone to lose instantly as after the first non losing roll we are favored to win at various degrees.

Hence a possible strategy should involve a statistical registration of the worst DPB enemy: 7s and 11s on the first roll, that is a 22.85% overall probability.

The rest should be considered as a confusing world even if many repeats of the point established before a losing 7 will cause us many losses.

Our selective plan oriented to only select the first rolls disregarding the rest along with a statical study of those outcomes helped us to restrict the variance, so enhancing the probability to win by the use of a simple progression.

Naturally such method implies the use of a restricted amount of "real" bets, a lot of patience and an adequate bankroll.

The idea that gambling games cannot be controlled in some way because any bet is EV- is the best professional players' ally.

Here's a strategy: find a way to slide the dice and have a buddy chunk the field. Hit them for a couple thousand and move on to another casino.


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See above.

I don't ever like making a line bet after a point is established. But 6-8 are the best inside #'s to play, and max odds are good if you can swing it.

But your strategy is also -EV.

He's saying that Don't Pass is a -EV bet so don't do it. And Odds is a 0 EV bet so don't do it.

The example of when to refuse to bet is: Craps. Don't play it.

He is not trying to propose a strategy for when to or how to combine Don't Pass, Odds, or whatever.

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Of course, mathematically it is.

What we can do about EV- games is just trying to enlarge at most our overall probability of success (or reducing at a minimum the probability of failure)after a given series of multilayered bets on very selected spots. That process involves both a mathematical and statistical study.

Any number has a precise probability to appear, any shooter will have a precise probability to roll zero, one or more winning pass line wagers.
The same any don't pass bettor will have a probability to lose or win after the very first roll, actually after shifting the first 7/11 losing roll, this player could decide to be either advantaged or freerolling (obviously freerolling means that when a point is established he/she could place a bet on it getting a small return when the number is repeated before the sevening out and breaking even if the 7 will come out).

I mean that a DP bettor has more opportunities to evaluate the "flowing" of the numbers and per each first roll his unique and real enemy is a 22.85% proposition showing up.
Naturally a single shooter or consecutive shooters could roll several winning first rolls or several winning repeats but itlr everything will follow the natural law of asymmetrical probabilities, expcially about the first roll of every shooter.

"both a mathematical and statistical study"!!!

In reality and empirically it is as well.


I don't know if you are a clever troll or you really believe this variation of gambler's fallacy.

In reality and empirically at gambling games what it counts is the money consistently taken from casinos no matter if the players are clever, stupid or illuded by something proven to be working after millions of trials.

When entering a casino and not wagering the bac side bets, our motto is "Put your fkng mathematical edge on your ass".