So we were sinking around in blackhawk at the casino and was playing some craps at the Golden Gates Casino. Lol seemed like a casino right out of walking tall. Anyways dice weren't acting right and was kinda suspicious. So when it's my roll finally I get the dice and these bad boys were not transparent???

Of all the different casinos I've played craps in this the first where the dice were non transparent. Whole casino seemed like a scam. Hit up ameristar across the street and all was well.

Have anyone ever seen casino dice you couldn't see through?

How were these dice not acting right and acting suspicious?

they shd be transparent or walk away.

It is NOT a Gaming rule that dice have to be transparent. I've seen opaque dice used in NV (at Planet Hollywood) and in NJ (Caesars).

If you think the dice are crooked, why would you walk away? Just start betting on Don't Pass/Don't Come, if you're right you should be in clover.

OP lost money so game had to be rigged.

It seems to me that non-transparent dice would make concealing embedded weights easier. I highly doubt a casino would do this. If caught, they could be out of business, and the odds are in their favor without doing anything illegal. Also, as mentioned, if they rig the dice to roll more sevens, this could be easily exploited by betting the don'ts.

However, non-transparent dice would make it easier for a cheating player to switch in weighted dice, which I suspect is the reason most casinos use transparent dice.

They could hid magnets to control the dice to give them whatever combo they wanted. Let's say full table there's 60 dollars collectively on the pass in the come out yet on the Don't pass there is 400, to the casino it would be in there interest for a 7 or 11...

Same thing happens when people playing theDont pass have a large sum on there. More than 4x what the rest of the table has in play on the pass and place bets. Iron their interest to let the shooter pass.

Indian casino don't answer to anyone. Their whole operation is corrupt.they have gaming commissions made up of their own people and tribe. Sounds legit. These casinos are hurting. They are turning a profit but it isn't what they want so yeah it gives them a reason to cheat. They answer to no one. The Indian casinos in Wisconsin are corrupt. If you don't think they rig those table games in the AM when business is slow to make a profit then??????

The Potowatomi casino in Milwaukee is the only casino I've played craps in that without a doubt every single time I'm there I believe it's rigged everything. No one is winning ever. I see it roll after roll after roll.
This place in Colorado is the only place outside of Wisconsin where something was fishy.

This is why I wander. If a casino is able to control let's say one dice. The point is 4 and they are able to get that dice to come up every time 1, 2, 3 how much does that change the probability of 4 coming up as opposed to both dice coming up perfect to equal 4 or whatever point? They could target the big don't come bettors. The table is being controlled by 3rd party people who watch the bets on the table and see what is more profitable for the casino,shooter7 out or shooter pass. Controlling one or both dice to maximize the profit of the casino since the chances of them being caught is zero!!

This is the same casino that has come out and said they would rather pay the fines then set the slot machines to the proper payout. Only casino in my life that I ever feel 100% cheated at anytime I go down stairs. I don't mind playing and losing when the odds are against me while waiting now for my poker game.

I'll stick to PLO and drop the tin foil cap conspiracies but it is a legit concern at this particular casino.

There are stories in which magnetic dice were used along with electromagnetic coils embedded in the felt, see Scarne on Dice, the problem is the dice tend to snap to attention whenever the "juice" is turned on.

+1 on never ever playing in an indian casino.

I would think that using slightly less magnetic force to get the dice or the one dice to react without being overly obvious. I can call it almost evverytime at Potowatomi casino. If you got a significant amount compared to the pass line it's coming 7..

I would have to believe if you could control the dice so that 1-2-3 came up evrrytime the dice was rolled that the odds of hitting a 4 is drastically increased.

So if you could get that dice to come up 1,2 or 3 for a 4 or 4,5 or 6 for a 10 that the odds are a lot better of that 4 or 10 passing.

These third party people who control these tables and pick off the players who are making the bigger bets, it's so obvious to anyone who's played dice regularly in any casino that something is not right and the Potowatomi casino has no one to answer to but their own people.

I believe this place was fair at one time (before the massive hotel they just built) 5 years ago you'd walk into the craps area and see 10s of thousands in play at the table. Now your lucky to see someone with 500 in front. They are cleaning people out.

I do wander if there is different metals or properties that can be controlled differently?like a certain metal or property will make one dice respond and not the other and the other dice a different metal property respond differently

To be fair, they said no online casino would cheat poker players either, since they could make hand over fist in honest rake.

Can't trust indian casino especially Potowatomi. They have no one regulating them besides their own people. Spent millions upon millions to keep the Kenosha casino from opening. Now they gotta cheat the hell out of everyone to make the money back.sad thin is being the only casino within a big radius people will continue to gamble knowing it's rigged.

You're a conspiracy theorist but yet you go anyways ? Wtf?

I stopped playing long time ago. Just rail while waiting for the PLOgame to start. I no longer give hem a dollar and shake my head everything I see those dice.

It is a legitimate concern. Wish someone would come in and hit them down or expose them as cheaters. I would pay a premium to see that one.

Well if they'd rig dice why wouldn't they juice the games in poker, too?

Or heck, what if they're marking the card for confederates?

Unless they aren't cutting the deck when it comes out of the shuffle machine in the poker room I don't see how it could be a problem.

It doesn't matter which casino you play in, every casino in the US is under the jurisdiction of the casino gaming commission. Not a one of them would risk their license by tampering with the dice to win a few extra bucks. That 7 out, line away, take the do's, pay the don't comes up about every 5 rolls.
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I'm pretty sure that's not true Nightstalker?

Applies to each sentence of his post.

Pretty sure what's not true?
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I'll wager that you bet from the "dark side", praying for that 7 to show.
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Nightstalker:

a) There is no federal casino commission

b) The ones that do exist are created by the states

c) Indian reservations have their own laws independent of the states they exist within

d) Indian casinos are the result of compacts between the states and the reservations, under IGRA

And guess who those compacts give authority to? Take this bit from the Hoopa Valley-California compact:

http://www.cgcc.ca.gov/documents/com...ey_Compact.pdf

Tell me about this casino where the 7 comes every 5 rolls and I'll be there on the dark side as well.

OK, I stand corrected (not the first time). I always thought some type of "big brother" kept an eye on um. If not, you may be right. Make that 7 about every 6 rolls. I'd bet the don'ts too if it were every 5!!!!!!!!! I'll do my next post after I get my foot out of my mouth. Still don't like Dark Side bettors though.
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