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07-09-2014 , 03:23 PM
hi guys i'm looking for someone to join me at a certain DD blackjack game that i found. i will be using the cutting technique to steer the exposed bottom card to the dealer. the exposure rate by dealers at this specific joint is very, very high. the theoretical EV is over ten thousand dollars per hour. the realistic EV is couple hundred to couple thousand. I can give you an exact theoretical EV, but of course it is very difficult to give you an exact realistic EV because of so many factors involved in real life.

i have a solid plan of attack. obviously i will not discuss details in this thread. but if youre interested i can give more info through PM. i am not a ploppy, crazy, delusional, etc. it is just very difficult to find someone to trust in this venture.

i have made a thread in blackjacktheforum.com. i have been pretty much laughed at and shunned. this has surprised me because in poker, people are backing people left and right, without ever having met them in real person. maybe it is just a culture difference, or generational, or maybe i just gave these guys too much credit. however, one thing for sure is that these guys love living in their tiny little card counting world.

the edge for counting is around 1-3%
the edge for cutting in this specific game is around 15-20%.

i have nothing to hide so here is the link: http://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sho...-voodoo-inside
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07-09-2014 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by realestate
it is just very difficult to find someone to trust in this venture ... in poker, people are backing people left and right, without ever having met them in real person.
Well, you're not going to find trustworthy people by posting how anyone can make ten thousand dollars an hour on a public message board.

People in poker trust each other because online histories are available.
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07-09-2014 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
Well, you're not going to find trustworthy people by posting how anyone can make ten thousand dollars an hour on a public message board.

People in poker trust each other because online histories are available.
i believe i qualified the ten thousand dollar statement
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07-09-2014 , 06:08 PM
Steer the exposed bottom card to the dealer??

Suppose you are skilled enough at cutting so that you can cut an exact number of cards. How do you know that the dealer will receive the bottom card? Isn't that dependent on the values of the cards above it, and the number of players at the table? What if a new player sits down at the table before the card is dealt? What if one of the players is a bozo who stands on ace-6 and splits 10s? And I presume only some values of bottom card would be advantageous even if you could ensure the dealer receives it? For example the bottom card will be a 5 or 6 less than 1/6 of the time.

And even if you are innocent of all advantage play you won't be able to consistently win significant amounts without getting backed off.
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07-09-2014 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by eobmtns
Steer the exposed bottom card to the dealer??

Suppose you are skilled enough at cutting so that you can cut an exact number of cards. How do you know that the dealer will receive the bottom card? Isn't that dependent on the values of the cards above it, and the number of players at the table? What if a new player sits down at the table before the card is dealt? What if one of the players is a bozo who stands on ace-6 and splits 10s? And I presume only some values of bottom card would be advantageous even if you could ensure the dealer receives it? For example the bottom card will be a 5 or 6 less than 1/6 of the time.

And even if you are innocent of all advantage play you won't be able to consistently win significant amounts without getting backed off.
if you know ahead of time that the dealer's upcard is going to be a 4, you have an advantage! even against a 7! against many cards you have an edge.

regarding the number of players at the table, this is really a trivial issue. we are steering an exposed card as the dealer's upcard, meaning that there is a predetermined number of cards to be dealt out before any player makes decisions. what you are talking about is manipulation of the ten and using it as a bust card for the dealer

another reason im so surprised is why everyone says i can't win consistently without getting backed off? Are you implying that you can ALWAYS win consistently with card counting without getting backed off? people automatically conclude that this will bring so much heat that i'll be banned within seconds. it is far more easier to be banned for counting cards, hole carding, etc. how many people have you heard of getting 86ed because of cutting lol

Last edited by realestate; 07-09-2014 at 07:30 PM.
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07-09-2014 , 07:43 PM
just curious, why don't you play it yourself?
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07-09-2014 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by realestate
it is far more easier to be banned for counting cards, hole carding, etc. how many people have you heard of getting 86ed because of cutting lol
Super naive.

The casino will assume you've marked the cards somehow and will 86 you because **** you that's why.
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07-09-2014 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
Super naive.

The casino will assume you've marked the cards somehow and will 86 you because **** you that's why.
the casino will assume? how do you know? you've probably never even seen this happen before. don't tell me that you've witnessed cutting AND you've witnessed the casinos assuming that a player marked the cards AND 86ed. it is ironic that you call me super naive

if they thought that a player is marking cards, it would not end with an 86

Last edited by realestate; 07-09-2014 at 08:15 PM.
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07-09-2014 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tongni
just curious, why don't you play it yourself?
various reasons, sitting at different angles to maximize chances of seeing an exposed card, being able to take over table, joint bankroll, etc
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07-09-2014 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tongni
just curious, why don't you play it yourself?
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07-09-2014 , 08:29 PM
let's see a youtube video of you cutting successfully 75% of the time for twenty or more trials. no camera tricks.
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07-09-2014 , 08:47 PM
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And I presume only some values of bottom card would be advantageous even if you could ensure the dealer receives it? For example the bottom card will be a 5 or 6 less than 1/6 of the time.
sorry mate, but this really shows that youre clueless.
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07-10-2014 , 08:49 AM
Oh **** me, now you're here peddling the same BS?

I don't think anyone needs to be told to stay away, this is an obvious freeroll attempt from someone who doesn't have enough of a clue to even approach his stated goal.
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07-10-2014 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MidniteToker
Oh **** me, now you're here peddling the same BS?

I don't think anyone needs to be told to stay away, this is an obvious freeroll attempt from someone who doesn't have enough of a clue to even approach his stated goal.
Not sure why this angers you so much lol. You get so frustrated over this how on earth can you have the emotional control needed to be an AP. You can look at it and call it a freeroll, but it clearly makes money for investors in the long run. And because of the large edge, the long run is very very short.
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07-10-2014 , 02:43 PM
Just out of curiosity, why (in your opinion) were you laughed at and shunned on the other forum?
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07-10-2014 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by realestate
the casino will assume? how do you know? you've probably never even seen this happen before. don't tell me that you've witnessed cutting AND you've witnessed the casinos assuming that a player marked the cards AND 86ed. it is ironic that you call me super naive

if they thought that a player is marking cards, it would not end with an 86
Yeah, you're right.
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07-15-2014 , 01:55 PM
where do you live? pm me.
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10-17-2014 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Double Down
Just out of curiosity, why (in your opinion) were you laughed at and shunned on the other forum?
im guessing theres a few main reasons

1. the BJ community is very exclusive. i asked for a stake in a community where i know nobody and nobody knows me (not that i have any credentials on twoplustwo). so they couldnt take my seriously. this is understandable.

2. however, the other forum is all about card counting and do not believe in other techniques. no matter how sound my plan is, they think its purely voodoo.

3. now that i think about it, most of the people who laughed at me were morons (like midnite toker) who didnt know anything or had like 10 posts
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10-17-2014 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
Yeah, you're right.
dude all you do on the forums is nit pick and be a total prick. ive played/seen you a couple times and youre not even that great at poker (not to mention a douchebag)! get off your high horse
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10-17-2014 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by realestate
2. however, the other forum is all about card counting and do not believe in other techniques. no matter how sound my plan is, they think its purely voodoo.
Complete, utter cluelessness.
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10-17-2014 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by realestate
dude all you do on the forums is nit pick and be a total prick. ive played/seen you a couple times and youre not even that great at poker (not to mention a douchebag)! get off your high horse
LOL
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10-17-2014 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MidniteToker
Complete, utter cluelessness.
you are just being yourself as usual without giving any argument. this is why you just call other players clueless and have nothing else to say

some reasonable players in the other forum mentioned the issue with heat, which is really the only issue here.

of course there will be heat! OF COURSE! but when you card count there is heat... in order to avoid heat you have to make cover plays, or go to a particular joint only once in a while, or something else... lol. jeez maybe you guys shouldn't card count because theres a chance of heat. you probably shouldnt hit that 13vT either because theres a chance youre going to bust! wow i'm in shock

Last edited by realestate; 10-17-2014 at 03:13 PM.
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10-17-2014 , 03:10 PM
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LOL
sorry callipygian. i've finally realized why you are such a dick. its because you wish your wife had a volleyball player's ass, but youre just left with a 50 yo cellulite infested saggy ass.

don't mind me though, like you said i'm just "super naive" even though you probably have ZERO experience with this lol
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10-17-2014 , 03:26 PM
maybe if you spent less time spazzing out on the internet and more time going and playing this game you wouldn't have to make threads like this
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10-17-2014 , 05:11 PM
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sorry callipygian. i've finally realized why you are such a dick. its because you wish your wife had a volleyball player's ass, but youre just left with a 50 yo cellulite infested saggy ass.

don't mind me though, like you said i'm just "super naive" even though you probably have ZERO experience with this lol
It hurts because it's true.
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