Can we beat 3 card poker? - Other Gambling Games Forum

Can it be beaten if we play only ante and bet blind every hand? Forget about pair plus and all side bets. Since this game is just your random hand va the dealers random hand isn't it truly 50/50 to get a better hand playing no side bets? Plus if you do happen to hit a real big hand like a straight or better I think you will still get some kind of odds just on your ante bet this has to be +ev or am I missing something?

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03-12-2015 , 09:03 PM

TAFFYMAN

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Also forgot to mention that when dealer does not qualify u automatically win half your bet

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03-13-2015 , 04:52 PM

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Can it be beaten if we play only ante and bet blind every hand?

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Forget about pair plus and all side bets. Since this game is just your random hand va the dealers random hand isn't it truly 50/50 to get a better hand playing no side bets?

It is 50/50 to get a better hand, but you aren't paid even money on your bet when the dealer doesn't qualify.

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Plus if you do happen to hit a real big hand like a straight or better I think you will still get some kind of odds just on your ante bet this has to be +ev or am I missing something?

Yes you are missing a lot. This might help: http://wizardofodds.com/games/three-card-poker/

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03-13-2015 , 06:53 PM

OmahaFanatical4

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3 cp is easily beaten actually but not by ur questionable methods which lose at a rate of i think over 6%

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03-13-2015 , 10:36 PM

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3 cp is easily beaten actually but not by ur questionable methods which lose at a rate of i think over 6%

Can u explain how you came up with a 6%figure

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03-14-2015 , 01:44 AM

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3 cp is easily beaten actually but not by ur questionable methods which lose at a rate of i think over 6%

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Can u explain how you came up with a 6%figure

I'd rather hear him explain how 3 card poker is easily beaten.

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03-14-2015 , 02:07 AM

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lol mods gonna mod

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03-14-2015 , 02:10 AM

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lol mods gonna mod

I did not do any modding.

I do not mod this forum.

I have never played 3 card poker (I'm assuming he means a casino table game).

Pretty much all of the posts I've ever seen you make are awful, pointless and of no help or use to anyone.

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03-14-2015 , 06:37 AM

OmahaFanatical4

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you just scout around until you find a dealer who is flashing the bottom card of their hand (happens more often then you'd think, a tell tale sign is that they will be flashing the bottom card of other hands when distributing them). then if u see a jack or lower u play anything, if u see a queen u play q92, king k92, ace, a92. that should win at a rate of about 3% if u get a perfect flash.

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03-14-2015 , 10:24 PM

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100% hole carding is unrealistic. A better question is, what percentage of dealer flashes do you need to see in order to be breakeven?

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03-15-2015 , 08:19 PM

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That's not very nice!

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03-15-2015 , 10:56 PM

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50%, since your disadvantage with basic strategy is 3% and your advantage with perfect knowledge of one card is also 3%. they could, theoretically, flash more than one card as well

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03-15-2015 , 11:40 PM

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so many lulz in such a short thread.

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03-20-2015 , 09:50 PM

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Do you really think a casino would offer a game that could be advantageous with the rules the casinos offer?
Only way you're beating the carnival games is from some kind of advantage play (hole carding, card counting, etc)

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03-22-2015 , 07:52 PM

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Do you really think a casino would offer a game that could be advantageous with the rules the casinos offer?

It's happened before...

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03-22-2015 , 09:44 PM

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No its not beatable. No house game is. Just because you exit a session up does not mean you have a advantage.

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03-25-2015 , 07:50 PM

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No its not beatable. No house game is. Just because you exit a session up does not mean you have a advantage.

Keep up the brilliant posting and you'll find yourself moderating around here, good sir.

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03-29-2015 , 04:58 PM

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I always wondered if it was as long as you play every hand. Yes sometimes when you win you only win one bet but at the same time sometimes when you lose you still win. Add in the bonus payouts for a straight or better I think it's pretty close. I have now idea how to calculate the difference in winning only one bet with the best hand and winning one bet with the worse hand. Would they be equal, and if so wouldn't that mean the bonus payouts give us an edge? Btw I dealt this game for about 3 years and saw maybe 3 players total play this way out of thousands so maybe the edge the casino has from regular players covers the difference by a huge margin.

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03-30-2015 , 01:57 AM

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Wizard says house has almost 8% if you play everything blind.

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04-23-2015 , 04:10 PM

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Wizard says house has almost 8% if you play everything blind.

When u say "play everything" does this include the pair plus and any other side bets? If so I would like to know what the house edge is when someone does not play these bets

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04-28-2015 , 06:52 PM

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When u say "play everything" does this include the pair plus and any other side bets? If so I would like to know what the house edge is when someone does not play these bets

I was responding to the "play every hand, we'll win" post right above that. The 8% is just talking about the edge on the hand if you never fold, not any side bets.

It's obviously better to fold some...

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04-29-2015 , 11:54 PM

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Ha. Just found out my grandma loves to play this game. I know very little aside from WOO. How many decks are used? Seems like if you could count cards/ hole card a bit you might be able to run close to even.

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05-02-2015 , 06:00 PM

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The answers to your questions are on WOO

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05-18-2015 , 07:19 PM

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50%, since your disadvantage with basic strategy is 3% and your advantage with perfect knowledge of one card is also 3%. they could, theoretically, flash more than one card as well

I think if you think about that you'll understand that you need more than that. The explanation trips up a lot of hole-carders. The problem is that you aren't taking into consideration the fact that reads aren't normally distributed: paint cards for example register with the eye more than others.

When you don't get a read the composition of the deck is NOT random: consequently your basic strategy is sub-optimal and you are losing over and above the house edge.

All the literature on this subject ignores stuff like this.