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Old 12-10-2014, 10:23 PM   #51
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Re: Bovada blackjack? (client vs. website)

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I am new to this site. I JUST signed up so I can post a reply to this thread, and many more like it.
I plan on starting a class action lawsuit against bovada.lv, and their online casino; blackjack in particular.
Their program steals money from their customers. I've played blackjack at MANY casinos, and have NEVER seen anything like this.
My argument comes from multiple times playing on their site, and EVERY time it lets u win 1 or 2 hands, and then steals all your money from there on out.
I understand variance, and probabilities, but that doesn't apply with Bovada. They have set hands that NO MATTER which way you play it, they will win.
I have NEVER seen anything like what happens on their site, and it occurs the EXACT SAME WAY EVERY TIME!!
I will be taking peoples emails so I can contact you and get your information to be included in the class action lawsuit.
Anyone interested please email me at etm6477@yahoo.com.

Please put BOVADA STEALS in the subject line.
Thank you.
Do you have hand history or any data to back up your claims? I've played the bonus every week for the last 4 months and im definitely above expectation. And hands you can't win happen all time. Should have stopped before you lost all your money. And good luck with that class action lawsuit with them being based in costa rica or wherever.
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Old 02-03-2015, 07:01 AM   #52
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Off topic from Bovada but I have won $3000 off stars blackjack double deck in 2 sessions with bets ranging from $10-$100. I cashed out and self banned myself and even went back to the old software haha. I don't want to eventually donk it back off
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Old 02-03-2015, 07:51 PM   #53
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I have also had some really bad runs on Bovada with blackjack as well.. And I do not trust it at all! (Could just be because it is coming from a computer and I cant see the cards flip but yes it does some totally unrealistic everytime I play it.
If I play Blackjack live majority of the time I crush.

Certainly not going to be trying any lawsuits or anything crazy like that though.. lol
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Old 02-20-2015, 02:03 PM   #54
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It's the RED BUTTON of death!!! Bovada turns on the DOOM SWITCH!

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Old 02-20-2015, 02:55 PM   #55
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If I play Blackjack live majority of the time I crush.
You do realize that unless you are a skilled card counter, the above is pure luck and you are guaranteed to lose in the long run, right? This is a game of negative expectation simply due to the rules.
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Old 03-16-2015, 05:25 PM   #56
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Umm, unless you are a skilled card counter, then when you increase your bets in Blackjack you are *supposed* to lose more money, on average.
Was not talking about $ won/loss overall (thought I made that very clear) but win percentage.
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whenever you increase your bets, your win-rate goes down.

It SHOULD NOT change whether you're playing small or big, the odds of the game do not change with bet size. Yes, I realize it's a -EV game.
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Old 03-31-2015, 06:54 PM   #57
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Was not talking about $ won/loss overall (thought I made that very clear) but win percentage.



It SHOULD NOT change whether you're playing small or big, the odds of the game do not change with bet size. Yes, I realize it's a -EV game.
He didn't say the odds change, he is implying the amount of money you win or lose does when you bet bigger. The more you bet the more money you can expect to lose over the long run unless you are a counter.
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Old 03-06-2016, 10:34 PM   #58
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Well yeah it's rigged. Just like the rest of it and all the other online sites.


People are stupid. Blackjack is a greedy game. When your up it's hard to stop and betting big is temping. I figured this out the hard way and the xanax didn't help me either. I was lucky though I got back most of it and only fell in the hole $80. $50 was because on the website they say I can get one free check per month for cash out. That's not true. I had to pay the $50 and bankwire you need min. Of $1500. So if you want to say something is rigged then here you go.

They use a six deck reshuffled Evey hand. Not sure why you need 6 decks for that but OK. Not sure if they do this in the casino. From what I read in real life the dealer uses a blank plastic card to know when to shuffle the shoe.

There are google play apps that you can build a strategy card and use there rules. It's what I did and use it on a second cell phone. I do recommend if you can't drop $100 on the table maybe it's not for you and don't plan on playing for hours. Blackjack will destroy you in the long run.

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Old 03-07-2016, 08:29 AM   #59
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They use a six deck reshuffled Evey hand. Not sure why you need 6 decks for that but OK
the more decks the less common blackjacks are the higher the house edge is. this is because of EOR.
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Old 03-07-2016, 09:36 AM   #60
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the more decks the less common blackjacks are the higher the house edge is. this is because of EOR.
Umm, no.
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Old 03-07-2016, 10:42 AM   #61
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wanna bet?
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Old 03-07-2016, 10:43 AM   #62
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just friendly wager $5
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Old 03-07-2016, 10:47 AM   #63
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The expected frequency of blackjack (a 21) is the same in a six deck game or a one deck game.

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Old 03-07-2016, 10:56 AM   #64
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don't wanna put your money where your mouth is then? That's fine.


https://www.blackjackincolor.com/bla...irstcards1.htm



"Blackjacks are more common in single deck. 4.827% vs. 4.749%"

The link explains why.
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Old 03-07-2016, 02:13 PM   #65
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don't wanna put your money where your mouth is then? That's fine.


https://www.blackjackincolor.com/bla...irstcards1.htm



"Blackjacks are more common in single deck. 4.827% vs. 4.749%"

The link explains why.
Ok, I was wrong, and you can expect 1 additional blackjack per 1282 hands in single deck. This might make a difference to a full time gambler playing lots of hands. There are much bigger reasons why he would prefer single or double deck, however. But in general we consider the BJ chance to be 4.8% for practical purposes, in both games.
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:09 PM   #66
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It seems trivially easy in online BJ to track dealt cards for statistics and verify fairness. This is a much simpler game than poker and much easier to verify that the deal is normally distributed. All dealer cards are known, all your cards are known, just count and do some simple statistics.
Specifics please.

The only way I know to even approximately check randomness in a presumably normal (Gaussian, bell shaped) distribution is to figure standard deviation then play awhile and see if results fall within no more than +- 3 SD's (95%confidence interval).
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:15 PM   #67
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This sounds like the runs I usually have counting cards against hand dealt shoes in live casinos, betting big when the deck is rich in tens and aces.

I have a h___ of a time counting cards. Constantly get distracted, lose count. Sure like to find a non gaffed online BJ game in which I could count cards.
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:19 PM   #68
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I can attest the poker page Blackjack is rigged as ****. I've deposited over $600 this week. Every time you double your money, the site favors the dealer and if you don't walk away they suck you dry for what you've deposited. They HAVE to rig it because there is no collection for the house in Blackjack. The website has to make its money. Dealer makes 20, 21, or blackjack (9/10) when your bets are $5 or larger. Do not play this
You're forgetting the house edge (generically about 0.56%) which is the source of their profits. Casino's don't gamble. The HE, math, is the source of their profits.
The Bovada HE can be more than offset with their bonuses.
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:26 PM   #69
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Umm, unless you are a skilled card counter, then when you increase your bets in Blackjack you are *supposed* to lose more money, on average. That expectation is built in to the rules of the game. 1-2% negative expectation (or worse) times bigger bets equals bigger losses. This is third grade arithmetic.

"The imaginary patterns that you attribute this effect to, are just random."
IF Bovada's not gaffed. It's very hard to tell in online games. It may well be true they they have pushback software which automatically jumps in if a player wins too much. The other side of the coin is Bovada's recommended by the Las Vegas Wizard (Wizard of Odds) who's very credible and competent.
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:35 PM   #70
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I've been tracking my results and I've noticed the same. While the hand distributions are somewhat normal overall (off a few percentage from expected), whenever you increase your bets, your win-rate goes down. Over the last couple sessions when I increase my bet 2-4X, I'm 3-11. Yes, won 3, lost 11, and see many of the 'weirdness' Andrewjj2 described (double-downs get a small card that dealer beats, dealer 6s drawing to 18-21 most of the time etc.)

It's okay if you play small and keep your bet consistent. If you vary your bets, Bovada's gonna rape you.[/QUOTE

Sample size?
IF (and only if!) Bovada's not gaffed (i.e. has a fair pseudo random number generator) it's just variance, standard deviation, which is getting to you. I know. I came in recently with $250, got their accompanying $250 bonus, and went to town, playing both their single (to which their rollover requirements are inapplicable) and 6 deck (to which it is). Betting random bet size I ran things up to about $2 600 over 3-4 evenings (about halfway thru their rollover requirement). Next night lost it all, playing both single and 6 deck. Couldn't win a hand to save my soul. Whether it was their PRNG running overtime or they gaffed me with pushback software, I haven't a clue. If the game was fair it was just variation which got me. Have to play flat bets next time. If the game is gaffed, who knows? Still, the Wizard of Vegas approves, which says a lot.
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:37 PM   #71
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:37 PM   #72
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IF (and only if!) Bovada's not gaffed (i.e. has a fair pseudo random number generator) it's just variance, standard deviation, which is getting to you. I know. I came in recently with $250, got their accompanying $250 bonus, and went to town, playing both their single (to which their rollover requirements are inapplicable) and 6 deck (to which it is). Betting random bet size I ran things up to about $2 600 over 3-4 evenings (about halfway thru their rollover requirement). Next night lost it all, playing both single and 6 deck. Couldn't win a hand to save my soul. Whether it was their PRNG running overtime or they gaffed me with pushback software, I haven't a clue. If the game was fair it was just variation which got me. Have to play flat bets next time. If the game is gaffed, who knows? Still, the Wizard of Vegas approves, which says a lot.
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:39 PM   #73
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I am new to this site. I JUST signed up so I can post a reply to this thread, and many more like it.
I plan on starting a class action lawsuit against bovada.lv, and their online casino; blackjack in particular.
Their program steals money from their customers. I've played blackjack at MANY casinos, and have NEVER seen anything like this.
My argument comes from multiple times playing on their site, and EVERY time it lets u win 1 or 2 hands, and then steals all your money from there on out.
I understand variance, and probabilities, but that doesn't apply with Bovada. They have set hands that NO MATTER which way you play it, they will win.
I have NEVER seen anything like what happens on their site, and it occurs the EXACT SAME WAY EVERY TIME!!
I will be taking peoples emails so I can contact you and get your information to be included in the class action lawsuit.
Anyone interested please email me at etm6477@yahoo.com.

Please put BOVADA STEALS in the subject line.
Thank you.
Lawyer fishing for lucrative suits?
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:40 PM   #74
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Why don't you just play 1 or 2 hands?
Bovada bonus rollover requirements.
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:42 PM   #75
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You do realize that unless you are a skilled card counter, the above is pure luck and you are guaranteed to lose in the long run, right? This is a game of negative expectation simply due to the rules.
Bonuses can partially, fully or even exceed house percentage, making player expectation positive over the rollover requirement period.
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