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10-02-2014 , 10:15 PM
I was playing a six deck shoe, no count(mid shoe), third base. I get 6-6, dealer showing a 2. Last four cards out of shoe were all low. What's the play?
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10-02-2014 , 10:16 PM
Hit
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10-03-2014 , 12:22 AM
Google "blackjack basic strategy engine" to get a customizable BS chart.
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10-03-2014 , 02:52 AM
12 vs a 2 is a hit.
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10-03-2014 , 09:56 AM
it's a split unless doubling isn't allowed after splitting.
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10-05-2014 , 02:33 AM
Split
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10-09-2014 , 05:32 PM
12 vs. a 2 is a hit in general, but 66 vs. a 2 is a split so long as the game allows doubling after splitting (I've never seen a game that didn't).
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10-09-2014 , 05:37 PM
This thread is a good example between the difference in # of people who think they know basic strategy and the # that do.
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10-13-2014 , 05:12 AM
Hit. Splitting against a 2 showing is playing with fire.
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10-13-2014 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfiftySNGchk
Hit. Splitting against a 2 showing is playing with fire.
what about splitting 8s vs. a 9-A
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10-13-2014 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tiger415
what about splitting 8s vs. a 9-A
LS?
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10-13-2014 , 03:23 PM
Doesn't matter actually u still split 88 vs all cards instead of surrendering iirc
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10-13-2014 , 03:33 PM
I remember 88 vs. 10 being close, but a surrender still.

kinda like
16 vs. 10,
12 vs. 4,
a2 vs. 5,
a7 vs. 2

and maybe a few others
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10-13-2014 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by tiger415
I remember 88 vs. 10 being close, but a surrender still.

kinda like
16 vs. 10,
12 vs. 4,
a2 vs. 5,
a7 vs. 2

and maybe a few others
I don't get what you are saying? 88 vs 10 is not a borderline decision like those that you mentioned. Splitting 88 vs 10 is pretty cut and dry the better play than standing or hitting. But what is different about this play than many other splits is that it is a defensive split. Splitting doesn't turn the hand +EV. It is a -EV play whether you split, stand or hit, but splitting is just a little less negative (double negative, which is a grammer no-no, lol) You just lose a little less by splitting.
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10-13-2014 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kewljason
I don't get what you are saying? 88 vs 10 is not a borderline decision like those that you mentioned. Splitting 88 vs 10 is pretty cut and dry the better play than standing or hitting. But what is different about this play than many other splits is that it is a defensive split. Splitting doesn't turn the hand +EV. It is a -EV play whether you split, stand or hit, but splitting is just a little less negative (double negative, which is a grammer no-no, lol) You just lose a little less by splitting.
it kinda sucks when the great KJ disagrees with one of the things I post.
I had to double check both BJA3 and Professional BJ to reassure myself.

Using hi-lo, the index for surrendering 88 vs. 10 is 0. This led me to believe the decision tree between surrendering and splitting is close.

Of course I meant splitting if DAS (-0.483) or NDAS (-0.493) is better than standing (-0.537) and hitting (-0.535).

It is not as slightly better than surrendering (-0.500) as I thought. What led me to saying it is close is that the index is 0, but it may be rounded down (maybe it's close to 0.5) or more dynamically changing to the index.

So I think with this new found information, if the RC is 0, the actual correct play is to split instead of surrendering?? BS is a little inaccurate here??

edit: nvm, I've been playing wrong BS my whole life. The actual BS is EP, not RP.

Last edited by tiger415; 10-13-2014 at 05:08 PM.
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10-13-2014 , 05:24 PM
I'm very confused with Wong's (Pro BJ) book on late surrender (table 33). It says to surrender 88 at a count of 0 and to never surrender 88 vs. A. This seems to contradict BS especially if H17.
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10-13-2014 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by tiger415
I'm very confused with Wong's (Pro BJ) book on late surrender (table 33). It says to surrender 88 at a count of 0 and to never surrender 88 vs. A. This seems to contradict BS especially if H17.
BS is not the same as a count of 0.
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10-13-2014 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NineNatural
This thread is a good example between the difference in # of people who think they know basic strategy and the # that do.
QFT

I'm not saying that I'm a basic strategy expert, but at least I know when I don't know something.

This is why people posting random stuff off the top of their heads is super duper unhelpful. 66v2? 88vT? This isn't a popularity contest, there's an unambiguous mathematical answer.

Get a customized chart or two or ten, one for each game you might play. Memorize them all.

Again, I take no credit for having known these before 30 seconds ago:

66v2 is P if DAS, H if nDAS
88vT is R if H17, P if S17
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10-13-2014 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Ames
BS is not the same as a count of 0.
This.
Basic strategy plays account for your cards and the dealer's exposed card already being removed from the shoe. It is no longer neutral. BS is not based on an infinite deck.
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10-13-2014 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
QFT

Again, I take no credit for having known these before 30 seconds ago:

66v2 is P if DAS, H if nDAS
88vT is R if H17, P if S17
how does 88vT change much between H17 and S17 games? You probably meant 88vA...
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10-14-2014 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tiger415
how does 88vT change much between H17 and S17 games? You probably meant 88vA...
Maybe. I didn't look very carefully at the chart.
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10-16-2014 , 02:49 PM
Out of curiosity I looked it up again, tiger is right - it's 88vA that's R if H17, P if S17. 88vT is always P.

That's my point, though. Look this **** up instead of taking a poll on the Internet. And memorize it, not just look at the picture and get the general idea. It's a mathematical question with an objective answer, like, "Is the square root of pi greater than 1.75?" and not a grey question like, "What should I raise on the button?"
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10-16-2014 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
Out of curiosity I looked it up again, tiger is right - it's 88vA that's R if H17, P if S17. 88vT is always P.

That's my point, though. Look this **** up instead of taking a poll on the Internet. And memorize it, not just look at the picture and get the general idea. It's a mathematical question with an objective answer, like, "Is the square root of pi greater than 1.75?" and not a grey question like, "What should I raise on the button?"
This.

fwiw I think what op thought was the key to his question was the "last four cards out were low" part.
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10-16-2014 , 10:18 PM
If you're not counting, then you ignore the other cards.

You could also calculate the index for 66v2 and if it's 0.00 < x < 0.67 you can switch, lol.
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10-18-2014 , 08:49 AM
always split 88, unless it's against a T and you're > +7, then stand (assuming no surrender). i'm a little fuzzy on my indices, but i think that 66 vs a 2 is close and you hit at -1 or lower.
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