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Originally Posted by CoolTimer
What do you guys think of allocating a big chunk of your portfolio to BRK.B (is there comparable stuff out there?) . Which is pretty much a 0% fee, value type index fund.
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Originally Posted by ahnuld
the fee is the premium you pay over the mark to market value. Mutual funds trade at NAV. Berkshire trades above it. Doesnt mean don't buy, just giving you a different way to think about it.
I don't think this is a good way of thinking about Berkshire - it hasn't been a quasi mutual fund for a long time. Take a look at the most recent annual report:
http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/2014ar/2014ar.pdf
The four major operating segments are insurance, regulated, capital-intensive businesses (railroads and utilities), manufacturing/service/retailing, finance and financial products. In total, that's a pretty diverse set of businesses - that part is true. But you still have a substantial amount of single-company risk that you don't have in a true index fund.
I also disagree with ahnuld's point, at least as I interpret it. Berkshire does trade above its book value, the same way that the vast majority of public firms trade above book value. But this isn't a premium above NAV in the sense of closed-end fund premiums, where you can compare the market value of the fund holdings to the market value of the fund itself. That's because so much of Berkshire's assets are not marked to market. At the end of 2014, they had $117.5 billion of common stocks carried at market value. But they had a total of $526.2 billion in total assets. So in no way should anyone be thinking that the difference between book value and market value is any kind of premium/discount to NAV.
And this is something that Buffett says explicitly in the annual report:
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In our early decades, the relationship between book value and intrinsic value was much closer than it is now. That was true because Berkshire’s assets were then largely securities whose values were continuously restated to reflect their current market prices. In Wall Street parlance, most of the assets involved in the calculation of book value were “marked to market.”
Today, our emphasis has shifted in a major way to owning and operating large businesses. Many of these are worth far more than their cost-based carrying value. But that amount is never revalued upward no matter how much the value of these companies has increased. Consequently, the gap between Berkshire’s intrinsic value and its book value has materially widened.
I would not recommend putting more than 5-10% of your portfolio in Berkshire, the same way that I wouldn't recommend putting more than 5-10% of any individual stock in your portfolio. And I say that as one of the world's biggest Buffett fanboys - I've got a picture of me and him sitting on my desk looking at me as I type this.