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Originally Posted by ahnuld
isnt ebitda 18mm in Q1? I guess you are taking out corporate costs, but they seem like cash costs to me so im not sure why we should ignore them.
Also annualizing Q1 is a mistake. Its a seasonal business and Q1 and Q2 are always stronger than the back half of the year.
finally capex runs much higher than 23mm. sure maybe they only spend 23mm this year, but thats not the long term steady state spending level. depreciation is 35mm a year and its real depreciation. so id use that number.
seems like free cash is enough to service interest payments and buy more equipment and thats in. In the last 3 years cash flow from ops - capex was negative in every year. Mind you I get that this is a turnaround story but I would need to expect ebitda of 120mm this year to get excited.
FWIW, I sold the 40% of my position that sat in roth iras over the last couple days. I think they've taken care of the easy part -- cutting costs and becoming more efficient. Now the next step is regaining lost business -- this, of course, is much harder.
But anyways I intend to hold the rest. I think you're missing a few things.
1) Yes it's a turnaround. So I would say Ebitda is still depressed from the lost business they've yet to regain.
2) I don't think this is the peak of the cycle. my expectation is that normalized ebitda should be around $100M. Brillion is still very challenged. They've cut cost but in peak cycles this part of the business generates a lot of cash. I value ACW at appx 7-8x normalized Ebitda -- $700M to 800M - $330M Debt = $370-$470M -- leaving quite a bit of upside still.
The challenge for Accuride is that their business has lots of peaks and valleys and it is difficult to forecast the ups and downs in demand. What they failed at in the past was being prepared for these ups and downs -- causing them to operate poorly in the downcycles AND losing customers in the up cycle. Hopefully the new management team will help them to regain some of the lost business.