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07-19-2017 , 09:54 PM
If it's a taxable account you should basically never sell.
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07-20-2017 , 03:46 PM
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ALJJ (down 30%)
This is weird, any idea why liquidity completely dried up on this one today? I've never seen that happen before. Average volume of 35k shares, but 0 traded today and a massive bid-ask spread - 3.22/3.48.

Edit: I guess it has something to do with this, filed yesterday - https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...3_20170714.htm

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07-20-2017 , 04:44 PM
Is RMG networks on anybody's radar?
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07-20-2017 , 05:26 PM
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Is RMG networks on anybody's radar?
Yes, a friend of mine who I respect really likes it at $.70 here but i'm still unsure of both the mgmt and the biz but the valuation definitely looks cheap.
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07-20-2017 , 06:40 PM
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Is RMG networks on anybody's radar?
I took a small position at .77 a few months ago.
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07-20-2017 , 08:12 PM
This guy has some good things to say about management:

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...016+FINAL_.pdf

That said, he has bought Envirostar at 80x earnings, and then berates investors for being bad at math in his letter .

Seems that most of gross profit from new ventures will flow through bottom line?
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07-20-2017 , 10:02 PM
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This guy has some good things to say about management:

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...016+FINAL_.pdf

That said, he has bought Envirostar at 80x earnings, and then berates investors for being bad at math in his letter .

Seems that most of gross profit from new ventures will flow through bottom line?
Envirostar is an interesting one. I had it written down as something to look closer at when that new CEO took over but I never got around to it and the stock took off like a rocket ship. Oh well.
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07-21-2017 , 03:49 AM
It looks like a good short now. Trading at 155x earnings. Even if they tripple earnings, And issue shares and buy companies at 10x earnings, it will still trade at 56x earnings.
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07-21-2017 , 08:08 AM
I got RMGN idea from Greenhaven and I'm also long EVI based on his analysis. Kind of regretting not getting out of EVI at recent highs. Agree that it's way overpriced right now. Last earnings, the price settled at ~19.50 and I expect similar results for this quarter, but it's still a solid long term hold. The Ahmad family knows how to run companies.

Other ideas I got from him are FCAU (have calls at various prices in Jan and March; these have done great!), HHC (October calls; not so great), LMB warrants and ETSY.
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07-21-2017 , 08:34 PM
How long does it take a stock to delist from the nasdaq if it can't maintain the $1 share price? Looks like RMGN has been below for almost a year now.

Edit: Found it, they have until Sept 18, 2017 to get back to $1. Reverse split perhaps?

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07-24-2017 , 10:34 AM
A merger arbitrage play that is a bit more speculative:
https://seekingalpha.com/article/408...eout-offer-low

Thoughts?
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07-24-2017 , 06:21 PM
More info on the filing delay at AIRT. Basically sounds like they are trying to figure out if their financials should show 38% equity interest in Delphax or something higher because they hold warrants in Delphax as well. Whether the answer is 38%, 48%, 53% or whatever, it is 100% not relevant to figuring out what AIRT is worth yet the stock has sold off from $21 to $16. Many times these filing delays are because there are problems with the internal controls that have the auditors concerned, that doesn't appear to be the case here. Unless FedEx has cancelled the feeder program with AIRT and it hasn't been disclosed this is a no brainer buy at $16 imo.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300493132.html

The resolution of this matter is not anticipated to have any impact on our historical reported or future consolidated cash flows.
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07-24-2017 , 06:31 PM
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Favorite idea: PDEX @ $4.41
Second Favorite idea: ELXS @ $23
Well I never got around to a write up on ELXS but thankfully someone else did an extremely thorough one and posted it on VIC. This is a fantastic write up and I can second basically everything they wrote. Their price target is higher than mine and pretty lofty imo but not totally insane as it is a fantastic business:

https://www.valueinvestorsclub.com/i...00#description
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07-25-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Went long DDS just now to go along with my JWN stake from June of last year.
Out of DDS.
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07-26-2017 , 07:53 PM
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More info on the filing delay at AIRT. Basically sounds like they are trying to figure out if their financials should show 38% equity interest in Delphax or something higher because they hold warrants in Delphax as well. Whether the answer is 38%, 48%, 53% or whatever, it is 100% not relevant to figuring out what AIRT is worth yet the stock has sold off from $21 to $16. Many times these filing delays are because there are problems with the internal controls that have the auditors concerned, that doesn't appear to be the case here. Unless FedEx has cancelled the feeder program with AIRT and it hasn't been disclosed this is a no brainer buy at $16 imo.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...300493132.html

The resolution of this matter is not anticipated to have any impact on our historical reported or future consolidated cash flows.

Good call man. Thanks for sharing.
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07-27-2017 , 08:30 AM
Wow FB really is unstoppable. Congrats to those who played it.
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07-27-2017 , 03:32 PM
Are people here still holding HOS? I'm down 88% on it so far.


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Wow FB really is unstoppable. Congrats to those who played it.
Wrong Thread?
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07-27-2017 , 03:38 PM
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GNC looks interesting. Very beaten down stock and has been a poorly run business, but began implementing a new strategy at the end of last year and popped ~30% on earnings in Q1 only to subsequently sell-off. Interesting comments in the earnings call transcript re: revised business strategy. After Q1 earnings, there was lots of buying from insiders and yet it still has one of the highest short float % out there. Presumably the insiders are buying for a reason, and yet the shorts haven't really reacted.

I'm not advocating it as a long term hold, but I think it could be an interesting swing trade since a lot of ingredients are there for a nice short squeeze assuming good Q2 earnings. Worth monitoring going forward IMO.
Solid call here.
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07-27-2017 , 04:25 PM
In regards to GNC, investors are avoiding retail like the black plague. I may be short-sighted, but its hard to see a bull case here with Amazon positioned to eat everyone's lunch in this space.
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07-27-2017 , 04:40 PM
Im ordering most of my health foods online. Seems like a prime area to be taken over by online retail. Way cheaper.

Things like peanutbutter oats and protein powder are easy to store for 4-5 months.

Only I order from bulkpowders not Amazon lol. Is this the same in the US? Generally I only buy books from Amazon. The rest I usually google and there is almost always a cheaper online store that is not Amazon.
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07-27-2017 , 05:02 PM
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In regards to GNC, investors are avoiding retail like the black plague. I may be short-sighted, but its hard to see a bull case here with Amazon positioned to eat everyone's lunch in this space.
If Amazon is going to eat everyone in retails lunch why hasn't it finished eating Barnes and Noble and Best Buy's yet? Those should be the two retailers right in Amazon's sweet spot!
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07-27-2017 , 08:23 PM
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Solid call here.
Thanks, but sadly I didn't play it - there were too many dumb asses on Seeking Alpha writing fawning articles about GNC, so I convinced myself it was a sucker play and passed.

Incidentally, GIMO had decent earnings and a great forecast and was up like 9% AH, so good call on that. You might want to take a look at the Memo I linked to below, I thought it was a really good rundown on the argument for a sale. I've got a big options position in GIMO, so if they end up getting acquired I'll be very happy.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zw7u6g5m5t....2017.pdf?dl=0
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07-27-2017 , 10:44 PM
I saw a tweet last week that I'll paraphrase: New CW is that if your business is doing bad it's because of AMZN; if your business is doing well then AMZN is going to move in and your business will be crushed.

Needless to say, I think the threats of AMZN moving in on every single company in every single retail sector are wildly exaggerated.

Malachii,

I didn't have a piece of GNC either, but the conditions in the write-up made a lot of sense to me. I had enough retail in DDS and JWN (the latter of which I sold off today).

I never saw that memo from Foglamp but I agree with it in whole.
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07-28-2017 , 12:02 AM
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...Needless to say, I think the threats of AMZN moving in on every single company in every single retail sector are wildly exaggerated...
Apparently you're not a retailer.
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07-28-2017 , 10:09 AM
I think there are a lot of situations where brick and mortar will survive. Look at Autozone for example (quote from CEO):

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Also, we're helping them with a lot of the transactions. Again the return rates on DIY are pretty high. They're low double digit. Just people buy the wrong part, they don't know what they're buying, their car is making a noise, they think it's the shock and it comes out to be the control arm. They need help installing the parts. We've got 150 tools in the back of our stores that we will loan to a customer free of charge, helps them facilitate the job.

When you go to buy an alternator or a set of brakes or whatever, there is all these different things that you need to know to get the right part. Our AutoZoners walk outside and help people determine what those are. They look at the alternator and say okay, that's a 95 amp Bosch alternator or that's 110 amp Delco. We help people facilitate all those conversations, and it's very difficult to do that over the web. Will Amazon figure some of that stuff out? Sure, probably. But it's a much different interaction. We do check engine lights.

I akin Amazon to very similar to Walmart. We've been competing with Walmart in the automotive industry for 30 years. At the end of the day, Walmart sells a lot of the product that we sell in the front of our stores at a cheaper price. Go shop them, you're going to find some pretty big savings. Light bulbs are a good example. We sell a light bulb, the exact same brand; they can be substantially cheaper than we are but we offer a differentiated product. You'd be amazed at the share we have on light bulbs because we help people install them, we help them get the right one, we get them the bulb grease, we tell them how to install it. Where we don't have great share is where we don't differentiate, where it's hard to do that. A good example is windshield washer fluid. We really don't add a whole lot of value other than maybe we can help somebody pour it in. But it doesn't – there is not a whole lot of advice that's needed. We can't add anything, any value to washer fluid. The bulk of our products we do though. They got to have a core on an alternative or a starter or a CV shaft, those transactions are tough. We take back used oil. Some of these products can't be put on a plane because of aerosols and things like that. So, it's just a different customer and it's a tougher transaction.
But Healthfoods is probably not one of them.

That said I am hesitant to pull trigger on AZO since electric cars will wipe the floor with them. Would be interesting to run some models with different adoption rates and see how they are affected.
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