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Old 02-02-2012, 03:46 PM   #1
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Trade Of The Year

Bought CHK $22.05 20.25 STOP LOSS. Target $45
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:02 PM   #2
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So are we supposed to put down are trades of the year?
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:09 PM   #3
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My trade of the year was buying mindesta and continuing to buy it when the arbitrage was still present before the northern graphite spinoff. For anyone who was paying attention, it was literally free money. too bad I didn't put more money in there
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Old 02-02-2012, 05:57 PM   #4
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This will definitely not be the trade of the year. Nat Gas prices are going to continue to stay soft and things could get ugly by the middle of summer unless something changes.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:11 PM   #5
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Not sure how you can describe "buying at the peak of a +5% day" as "trade of the year". Make up your mind 8 hours faster next year.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:48 PM   #6
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This will definitely not be the trade of the year. Nat Gas prices are going to continue to stay soft and things could get ugly by the middle of summer unless something changes.
What do you see happening to companies like CHK during this time and in the near future?
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:54 PM   #7
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Bought CHK $22.05 20.25 STOP LOSS. Target $45
I like this trade a lot.
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:01 AM   #8
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I have quite a few puts on CHK at $21... natural gas prices are super soft and show no signs of changing...

Hell... they shut in 500 MMcfd and may shut in up to 1 Bcfd... you are seeing a lot of companies shut in gas production... its hard to make money when your assets are only overhead w/ no income
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:53 PM   #9
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As more and more companies cut production, nat gas will bottom (if it hasn't already). I expect a sharp rebound, as just too many people are bearish.

The question is, which companies will survive? I'm more of a macro guy, but in looking at the balance sheets of players such as CHK and KWK, I don't see how they survive with so much debt and so little cash. One thought: Sell off assets to service debts? Thoughts?
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:53 AM   #10
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Trade of the year: HND

Levered inverse natty gas ETF in Toronto.

I guess I am taking a bit of an opposing stance to you on this one haha
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:34 PM   #11
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Trade of the year: HND

Levered inverse natty gas ETF in Toronto.

I guess I am taking a bit of an opposing stance to you on this one haha
Oil/Nat gas ratio is at historic extremes. Geo-political/petro politics makes oil as a long term energy solution less viable.

Here is my thesis: .Gov gets their act together and makes nat gas a legitimate alternative. It can be used with the right infrastructure in place.

Additionally, why would you short an asset at such a relative (to other commodities) historic low? It's down ~ 75% from the peak...hasn't the easy money been made? Sure, there may be SOME money left to be made. But you may also be risking the mother of all short squeezes (like we saw in silver last year).
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:40 PM   #12
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Do some research on HNU and HND, or even HOU and HOD, these instruments are toxic over the long run on the long aside especially.

Oil / nat gas dont even need to go down in order to profit on the bear versions of these funds.

Do some research on contango and the futures market on these things before even considering trading them but HND was up 200%+ in a 4 or 5 months window and natty wasnt down 30% even during that time.

That said the natty gas squeeze day cost HND 22% in one day.

I came to the conclusion 2 years ago that these instruments were basically designed to destroy retail investors on the long side (what other side is there for the fish)

Good luck.
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:18 PM   #13
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Been doing some more research. From the fundamental side, it looks like XOM is trying to squeeze out all the small players by not cutting production. The question becomes, how far can they can they drive the price down. I don't think they're going to stop until they wipe out their competition.
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:27 PM   #14
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As more and more companies cut production, nat gas will bottom (if it hasn't already). I expect a sharp rebound, as just too many people are bearish.

The question is, which companies will survive? I'm more of a macro guy, but in looking at the balance sheets of players such as CHK and KWK, I don't see how they survive with so much debt and so little cash. One thought: Sell off assets to service debts? Thoughts?
Aubrey has clearly stated some assets that were bought much lower will be sold to improve the balance sheet.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:16 PM   #15
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Aubrey has clearly stated some assets that were bought much lower will be sold to improve the balance sheet.
So you're not worried about their short/medium term liquidity?
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