No pain. I have zero invested in the stock market at the moment. The investments I do have actually benefit from hard economic times and a credit crunch so all is good.
I actually think this will help me. I'm was planning on getting back into the stock market in early 2009 so I'll have a lot of cash to buy bargains with. I'm also looking at getting a new car in the spring which will probably cost less because of this. Canada has avoided the real estate issues unfortunately but hard economic times usually means less expensive consumer goods so again a plus.
I have a lot invested in the markets but generally don't worry about it and could care less. I feel like as poker players we have a much different perspective on this type of thing than your average person though, I never got all bent out of shape over downswings and don't see why I should over swings in the market.
I been making windfall profits since August 2007...
And have had 4 months with net profits > $150,000 net...
And this month I'm at about $80,000 net already.
So it's the luckiest thing ever...
I've become a millionaire "overnight"...
After grinding $100K/year for 15 years.
Just like a band with a hit record...
After 15 years of playing for drunks in dives.
When you are running a ** sophisticated ** hedging operation...
Maybe 50 stocks long and 50 stocks short...
On $1,000,000 capital leveraged 2:1...
And grinding $2,000/day with bid/ask spreads of $0.05 to $0.10...
Then suddenly all ** hell breaks loose **...
And those bid/ask spreads go to $0.20 to $0.30 or more...
Your volume soars and profits can be 5-10 times normal.
Volatility is a professional hedger's friend.
But I spend my weekends working on poker like a fool...
Instead of rapidly building my hedge fund.
Oh well... I suppose I can do what the **** I want.
Short-term trading is a Zero Sum Game... so when you here about some idiot "hedge fund" manager blowing up for $1 billion... a bunch of smart, disciplined guys just carved up that $1 billion.
I sold off pretty much all of my stock holdings back in early June to put a down payment on my condo, so while I haven't felt much pain stock-wise, my condo is probably only worth a couple bucks at this point, so it's all the same.
I've been in cash since March, luckiest sell in my life. I can hardly believe the prices on stocks and bonds. Even high grade corporates have some incredible yields. Unbelievable. Actually I'm a happy camper.
The good news...only like 20% in the market right now, most of it is in my bankroll or my condo.
The other good news...the American dollar is on the rise which means living in Canada got a little easier. 3 months ago my $5k US checks from Full Tilt were like $4950 at the bank...now they are $5600.
The bad news...just dropped 80k on a condo downpayment and even though Canada's markets are in much better shape than the US (mostly since the government is much more fiscally responsible) the real estate market is on the decline. Oh yea and my stock portfolio has completely tanked like 35%.
Seriously though.... nothing in the market, other than my DCB pension plan (401K to Americans). That is long-term so I'm not worried. No debt either (I rent a condo), so I'm in good shape.
I did everything wrong and put it all into 1 micro cap stock which is now trading at 1/8th what I bought it for. When all this bad news broke out it just got punished. Lol gambling.
I did everything wrong and put it all into 1 micro cap stock which is now trading at 1/8th what I bought it for. When all this bad news broke out it just got punished. Lol gambling.
I did everything wrong and put it all into 1 micro cap stock which is now trading at 1/8th what I bought it for. When all this bad news broke out it just got punished. Lol gambling.
~60% networth in stocks. Hurts a lot. Every single penny I've made at poker in the last year I've lost in stocks which is a pretty suckie thing to think about. I'd be so rich if I had not invested. Now we're digging into my 'real' savings which hurts even more.
this op was actually v helpful for me. i was kinda bummed that i was down >30% this yr, then i saw the op asking me to rate my emotional pain, and i realized that i dont really feel any pain at all. maybe bc stocks are <25% of my net worth.
tien, what made you say to get out 6-8 months ago?
My net worth is about 100K and I've probably lost about 17K in the last 12 months.
Had about 55% of net worth in the market, and about 85% of that was retirement, so I'm not too worried about the retirement stuff.
It does still change some of my short-term plans. For instance, I wasn't planning on maxing my Roth out for 2009 until April 2010, but with prices so low, I may be forced to max them out Jan. 2009. Little stuff like that. We both need new cars but may have to delay those in order to free up money for the aforementioned Roths, etc.
Was planning on buying home next August...may hold off a bit longer, may not.