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04-05-2010 , 11:57 AM
Hello,

I would like to 'inverse' the question. For a project, we need about 1k every month to keep it going. So my question is: how much money do I need to generate a 'everlasting' yearly income of about 15k (let's be pessimistic and add 3k). With everlasting I mean that it needs to be adjusted to inflation on a yearly basis. Is 500k (of which 3% equals 15k) a good guess?

And how should my asset allocation look like? I am thinking about:

(1) 50% bonds
(2) 50%: equal mix of:
-- small caps dividend (also international)
-- big caps dividend (also international)
-- reit (also international)
-- emerging markets
-- commodities
-- emerging markets bonds

Is 3% too optimistic? The portfolio on itself needs to do better than that, to counterfeit inflation.

thanks a lot
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04-07-2010 , 01:24 AM
my uncle just deposited about 6000 in Scotttrade and he's asking what he should get with it. He is looking for something with high risk high rewards. He is 59 years old.
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04-08-2010 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by wifebeater123
my uncle just deposited about 6000 in Scotttrade and he's asking what he should get with it. He is looking for something with high risk high rewards. He is 59 years old.
So, he wants to gamble 6k? When he says high risk, does he mean he wants to try to turn that 6k into 30k in 2-4 years? Always remember, some people say they are "high risk" when they really aren't. Ask him this, if that 6k turns into 2k in 3 months, will he be upset, or will he say "no biggie, I took a shot?"

If he's looking for really high risk, he can take shots like buying the really dog stocks right now, the ones worth a few bucks. Those have potential to really go up in the next few years. Citibank, FNM, AIG, AMD, etc.

I bought Citi at 1.50, I have a few thousand shares, its now at 4.30 or so. 3x my money in 7 months. Thats an outrageous return.. but the risk I took is it could have went to 0. I didn't think it would, but it could have. I was also going to buy AMD when it was 2 bucks, its now at 9 bucks.. thats 4.5x my money.

If he REALLY wants to gamble he can buy those types of stocks, but they are really big gambles.
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04-08-2010 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by HeyWhatIsWrong?
Hello,

I would like to 'inverse' the question. For a project, we need about 1k every month to keep it going. So my question is: how much money do I need to generate a 'everlasting' yearly income of about 15k (let's be pessimistic and add 3k). With everlasting I mean that it needs to be adjusted to inflation on a yearly basis. Is 500k (of which 3% equals 15k) a good guess?

And how should my asset allocation look like? I am thinking about:

(1) 50% bonds
(2) 50%: equal mix of:
-- small caps dividend (also international)
-- big caps dividend (also international)
-- reit (also international)
-- emerging markets
-- commodities
-- emerging markets bonds

Is 3% too optimistic? The portfolio on itself needs to do better than that, to counterfeit inflation.

thanks a lot
Take a look at bond "income" funds, where the % of return is the emphasis instead of the capital. Also, you can research Inflation Protected Security funds, which can help with the whole inflation thing. Finally, municipal bonds, which can protect from Tax liabilities, is another option.

Your question is a bit tough to answer, since I'm confused if your looking for the income stream, or growth in the original investment? I would advise against a 50/50 mix, as you take on too much risk to capital to preserve that income stream, which it sounds like was the most important aspect.
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04-09-2010 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by HeyWhatIsWrong?
So my question is: how much money do I need to generate a 'everlasting' yearly income of about 15k (let's be pessimistic and add 3k).
Here are some success rates with different withdrawal rates:



More:

http://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Safe_Withdrawal_Rates
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04-09-2010 , 03:12 PM
Country:USA
Age:23
Got 20k. This is essentially the left over part of my poker bank roll as I don't have time or interest to play much anymore. Risk tolerance is very high. I would be fine with loosing the whole thing as I can't loose my current job and I have 6 months of living expenses saved outside of the money i am looking to invest.
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04-10-2010 , 12:04 PM
I want to take a shot I have 5k that i want to try to at least triple or 2.5 times it in 3-6 months or lose it and like you say gave it a shot. Give me some stocks that you feel have a shot here at moving.
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04-10-2010 , 03:47 PM
I suppose I'm in the same position as Max Raker.

It seems like just throwing it into an S and P 500 index fund is a bad idea mainly because I am young, willing to take on more risk to get better returns, and won't touch this money for 30+ years...

thoughts on which mutual funds would be best? (small cap growth/value, etc)

thanks
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04-10-2010 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mariogs379
I suppose I'm in the same position as Max Raker.

It seems like just throwing it into an S and P 500 index fund is a bad idea mainly because I am young, willing to take on more risk to get better returns, and won't touch this money for 30+ years...

thoughts on which mutual funds would be best? (small cap growth/value, etc)

thanks
You are thinking of it incorrectly. They are all really in the same boat. In general, large cap/mid caps growth/value etc in a large generality return around the same amounts (6-12%)

If you really want to take on more risk you need to be more specialized. Sectors, emerging markets, etc. I would try picking a few stocks you like (3-6 stocks?) and just let them ride if you really want to take more risk on.

In general, the value/growth large/mid funds are all bucket funds. They have a ton of stocks mixed in there, based on the way they are categorized, explained in the prospectus.

If you have more specific questions, let me know.
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04-11-2010 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mariogs379
I suppose I'm in the same position as Max Raker.

It seems like just throwing it into an S and P 500 index fund is a bad idea mainly because I am young, willing to take on more risk to get better returns, and won't touch this money for 30+ years...

thoughts on which mutual funds would be best? (small cap growth/value, etc)

thanks
I'd split it. Put some into a SP500-type of fund. For all you know, it might give the best returns over next 10 years.

The riskiest area of stocks is small value. If you want to add risk but stay out of stock picking, invest in a small value companies fund.
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04-12-2010 , 01:57 PM
He wouldn't be upset if he loses all of it. But hes trying to hold onto the stocks for at least 5 years. Do the stocks that you just mentioned still have potential to go up? (since they gone up alot last couple of months?) if not, what are some of the other stocks that you'd recommend? thanks

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Originally Posted by wil318466
So, he wants to gamble 6k? When he says high risk, does he mean he wants to try to turn that 6k into 30k in 2-4 years? Always remember, some people say they are "high risk" when they really aren't. Ask him this, if that 6k turns into 2k in 3 months, will he be upset, or will he say "no biggie, I took a shot?"

If he's looking for really high risk, he can take shots like buying the really dog stocks right now, the ones worth a few bucks. Those have potential to really go up in the next few years. Citibank, FNM, AIG, AMD, etc.

I bought Citi at 1.50, I have a few thousand shares, its now at 4.30 or so. 3x my money in 7 months. Thats an outrageous return.. but the risk I took is it could have went to 0. I didn't think it would, but it could have. I was also going to buy AMD when it was 2 bucks, its now at 9 bucks.. thats 4.5x my money.

If he REALLY wants to gamble he can buy those types of stocks, but they are really big gambles.
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04-12-2010 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by wifebeater123
He wouldn't be upset if he loses all of it. But hes trying to hold onto the stocks for at least 5 years. Do the stocks that you just mentioned still have potential to go up? (since they gone up alot last couple of months?) if not, what are some of the other stocks that you'd recommend? thanks
I was going to buy FNM a month or two ago when it was sitting at 1.00 even. Its at 1.18 now. I think that is a super-long term play, though. FNM probably won't dissolve, and it could go back to 5-10 dollar range in the next 5-10 years. Thats a hell of a return if it happens. Hell, it could be 20 bucks 8 years from now. Would it be worth the gamble? Well, lets see.. something could happen and FNM could dissolve, but I think it'll probably just kept being supported by the government. I DEFINATELY think it has much more upside potential than downside potential, and in the big scheme of things, what is a 1-3 thousand dollar investment into a stock that you will hold for a long time?


Also, I like Visa. I might have mentioned that. Its at 92 dollars at so right now. Citibank, in the long term, has some more upside potential. I just bought more of it when it was at 3.80 or so and its now at 4.63. Remember, I also bought more than 1,500 shares when it was at 1.50.

I think google has some upside potential, also I believe Apple will move upwards since it will be moving into Verizon's customer base soon, which will mean its iPhone sales should explode.

Goldman has some upside potential, but that is more of a "safe play" than a gamble. I like AMD, which is at 9 bucks. They could go back to the 15 dollar range in teh next year or so, so thats a nice increase.

In all honesty, the BIG opportunities were all last year. Almost everything exploded that wasn't part of the real estate mess.
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04-12-2010 , 03:29 PM
Would it be wise to invest $70k at once right now in ETF equities? Or better off to break it up in monthly increments? Plan is to buy and hold but keep hearing people say market correction is coming and would rather buy at discount.
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04-12-2010 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I was going to buy FNM a month or two ago when it was sitting at 1.00 even. Its at 1.18 now. I think that is a super-long term play, though. FNM probably won't dissolve, and it could go back to 5-10 dollar range in the next 5-10 years. Thats a hell of a return if it happens. Hell, it could be 20 bucks 8 years from now. Would it be worth the gamble? Well, lets see.. something could happen and FNM could dissolve, but I think it'll probably just kept being supported by the government. I DEFINATELY think it has much more upside potential than downside potential, and in the big scheme of things, what is a 1-3 thousand dollar investment into a stock that you will hold for a long time?


Also, I like Visa. I might have mentioned that. Its at 92 dollars at so right now. Citibank, in the long term, has some more upside potential. I just bought more of it when it was at 3.80 or so and its now at 4.63. Remember, I also bought more than 1,500 shares when it was at 1.50.

I think google has some upside potential, also I believe Apple will move upwards since it will be moving into Verizon's customer base soon, which will mean its iPhone sales should explode.

Goldman has some upside potential, but that is more of a "safe play" than a gamble. I like AMD, which is at 9 bucks. They could go back to the 15 dollar range in teh next year or so, so thats a nice increase.

In all honesty, the BIG opportunities were all last year. Almost everything exploded that wasn't part of the real estate mess.
That's awesome.
How do you keep yourself up to date with all this stock information? What do you think a beginner like myself should do to start learning about stocks?
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04-12-2010 , 05:59 PM
Perhaps this is the right place for my little queries about Vanguard Funds & IRA's.

My tax guy said put money in a SEP-IRA before the 15th April, so I just set one up with Vanguard. Will actually inject funds in a couple of days.

Now...what the hell do I do about choosing which funds to invest in?

By default the lady on the phone set it up with Prime Money Market VMMXX, some fund that's a standard one they have. https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/vanguard/index

What should I be looking to go for though? Moderate risk is ok. And I'm pretty much clueless about investing - I just know there are a boat load of different choices; all of which I know nothing about.

2nd qn: I made $95k in '09 after 150k the prev 2 yrs. Should I set up a Roth also while I have the chance?
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04-13-2010 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I was going to buy FNM a month or two ago when it was sitting at 1.00 even. Its at 1.18 now. I think that is a super-long term play, though. FNM probably won't dissolve, and it could go back to 5-10 dollar range in the next 5-10 years. Thats a hell of a return if it happens. Hell, it could be 20 bucks 8 years from now. Would it be worth the gamble? Well, lets see.. something could happen and FNM could dissolve, but I think it'll probably just kept being supported by the government. I DEFINATELY think it has much more upside potential than downside potential, and in the big scheme of things, what is a 1-3 thousand dollar investment into a stock that you will hold for a long time?


Also, I like Visa. I might have mentioned that. Its at 92 dollars at so right now. Citibank, in the long term, has some more upside potential. I just bought more of it when it was at 3.80 or so and its now at 4.63. Remember, I also bought more than 1,500 shares when it was at 1.50.

I think google has some upside potential, also I believe Apple will move upwards since it will be moving into Verizon's customer base soon, which will mean its iPhone sales should explode.

Goldman has some upside potential, but that is more of a "safe play" than a gamble. I like AMD, which is at 9 bucks. They could go back to the 15 dollar range in teh next year or so, so thats a nice increase.

In all honesty, the BIG opportunities were all last year. Almost everything exploded that wasn't part of the real estate mess.
fnm has borrowed a few hundred bil from the us gov that it has to pay back before shareholders get anything. Good luck coming up with an explanation on how it can ever pay that money back.
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04-13-2010 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wifebeater123
That's awesome.
How do you keep yourself up to date with all this stock information? What do you think a beginner like myself should do to start learning about stocks?
please dont listen to that. its random speculation with no basis.


ex. Look at goog. Thats a nice stock. Its trading at 600 a share. But look at another company that used to trade at 600 a share, brk.a. Now thats worth 128,000 a share. not a bad return.

see what I did there?
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04-13-2010 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Raker
Country:USA
Age:23
Got 20k. This is essentially the left over part of my poker bank roll as I don't have time or interest to play much anymore. Risk tolerance is very high. I would be fine with loosing the whole thing as I can't loose my current job and I have 6 months of living expenses saved outside of the money i am looking to invest.
find some turnaround play in a heavy capex industry and read up about it and take a shot.

or put it all in eem
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04-13-2010 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dogsballs
Perhaps this is the right place for my little queries about Vanguard Funds & IRA's.

My tax guy said put money in a SEP-IRA before the 15th April, so I just set one up with Vanguard. Will actually inject funds in a couple of days.

Now...what the hell do I do about choosing which funds to invest in?

By default the lady on the phone set it up with Prime Money Market VMMXX, some fund that's a standard one they have. https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/vanguard/index

What should I be looking to go for though? Moderate risk is ok. And I'm pretty much clueless about investing - I just know there are a boat load of different choices; all of which I know nothing about.

2nd qn: I made $95k in '09 after 150k the prev 2 yrs. Should I set up a Roth also while I have the chance?
The money market fund is just a "sweep" account. Its where your money will sit until you make a decision. Its a good thing, because if you let it sit there for a month before you make a decsision at least you get a few pennies in interest.

"Moderate" risk? Look at one of the mixed funds, like wellington or on of those half stock/bond funds.

Or just put it into the vanguard 500 or the total stock market index funds. But those are more risky than the mixed, obviously.
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04-13-2010 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ahnuld
please dont listen to that. its random speculation with no basis.


ex. Look at goog. Thats a nice stock. Its trading at 600 a share. But look at another company that used to trade at 600 a share, brk.a. Now thats worth 128,000 a share. not a bad return.

see what I did there?
Its speculation, definately. People asked, I gave an opinion. I take on more risk than most, but I have some sort of logic when I buy something.

Some people stick to technical analysis, which is fine. Some people are highly risk adverse, some aren't. Just depends on what kind of shots you like to take.
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04-13-2010 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ahnuld
fnm has borrowed a few hundred bil from the us gov that it has to pay back before shareholders get anything. Good luck coming up with an explanation on how it can ever pay that money back.
You mean like how Citi bank and AIG made huge repayments in their bailouts?
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04-13-2010 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mariogs379
I suppose I'm in the same position as Max Raker.

It seems like just throwing it into an S and P 500 index fund is a bad idea mainly because I am young, willing to take on more risk to get better returns, and won't touch this money for 30+ years...

thoughts on which mutual funds would be best? (small cap growth/value, etc)

thanks
well unless you want to spend significant amounts of time learning about value investing then theres really no other choice. If you want to be aggresive but dont feel like learning a ton, then go for small cap value etfs as studies have shown they generate higher returns because they tend to be more volatile. Since you said you are open to increased risk (variance) then this is the route for you.
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04-13-2010 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wifebeater123
That's awesome.
How do you keep yourself up to date with all this stock information? What do you think a beginner like myself should do to start learning about stocks?
You can always read cnn.money and marketwatch.com to get some information, also, I alwasy recommend reading Buffet's yearly corporate letter to his investors.

Of course, reading some books would help you, as to which ones.. thats up to you. Everyone will recommend different reading material.

And, before you actually invest or buy anything.. you can always practice, writing down what you would have done today if you had 3k to invest, and watching to see what happens, and figuring out why.
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04-13-2010 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ahnuld
well unless you want to spend significant amounts of time learning about value investing then theres really no other choice. If you want to be aggresive but dont feel like learning a ton, then go for small cap value etfs as studies have shown they generate higher returns because they tend to be more volatile. Since you said you are open to increased risk (variance) then this is the route for you.
Just something to think about:

"Excerpted from Common Sense on Mutual Funds by John C. Bogle, pages 233-235

Now to my third sector. One of the seemingly indestructible myths of investing is that stocks with small market capitalizations outpace stocks with large market capitalizations over time. Having accepted this proposition, its proponents then explain why, in terms easily understood: Small caps carry higher risks, therefore it follows, as the night the day, that they must earn higher returns. This reasoning would seem to make consummate good sense. But, in fact, as shown in Figure 10.5, the cycles of small-cap superiority have been relatively spasmodic. From 1925 through 1964 - a period of fully 39 years - small caps and large caps provided identical returns. Then, in just four years, through 1968, the small-cap return more than doubled the large-cap return. Virtually that entire margin was lost during the next five years. By 1973, small caps were about at part with large caps for nearly the full half-century. The small caps' reputation was made largely during the 1973-1983 decade. Then, perhaps inevitably, RTM (reversion to the mean) struck again in a fifth cycle. Paralleling the observation of the poet Thomas Fuller in 1650, it was darkest for the large caps just before the dawn, for the sun has shone brightly upon them since 1983.


On balance, for the full period, the compound annual return on small-cap stocks was 12.7 percent, compared with 11.0 percent for large-cap stocks. This difference resulted in a terminal value for small-cap stocks that was three times that of large-cap stocks, as shown in Figure 10.5. But, given the dominance of small caps in a single decade, I'm not sure I'd rely on it. (Certainly the truly awesome strength of large caps, in a so-so 1998 for small caps, meant it was not wise to accept uncritically the small-cap thesis). Without the relatively brief cycle of small-cap domination in 1973-1983 - only one of seven decades in the period - large caps were actually superior. When that period is excluded, annual returns were: large caps, 11.1 percent; small caps, 10.4 percent. In any event, the relationship between large caps and small caps, if not entirely dominated by RTM, is permeated with the force of market gravity."
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04-13-2010 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
You mean like how Citi bank and AIG made huge repayments in their bailouts?
first of all, its citi group. The fact that you keep calling them citi bank is funny since thats the name that appears on the corner atm but not on any sort of real report.

Second AIG had huge assets with it could spin off like its asian unit and others. fnm doesnt have any of these or it might have considered selling it before now.

3rd citi was able to raise money from wall street through new equity offerings and then pay back the us gov. Obviously fnm would do this if it could but evevyone knows its so insolvent that noone would ever buy new equity.

4th, if you look back over the last 4 years you will see that their last profitable year, 2006, they made 4 billion. Think about how long it will take from them to pay the us gov back at that rate. enjoy being stuck in line behind them for 25 years.

5th, we are talking about FNM, how is citi relevant to that at all.
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