this may sound simple. but is true.

if you want a job and you look hard enough you will get a job. nothing is too late

Okay i like to answer few questions that was asked earlier.


To the person that ask me how much money I have now in my name, i have around 35k. I don't have that much saved. I'm pretty worried that i would be running out of money soon as I have been not making much profit at online poker anymore. At the moment, Im still out of the us. The online poker i play the games are just bad. Also i play low stakes mtt sng mostly which is even worst. I use to play mid stakes DoNs before BF. If anyone here played those on stars, you would know how soft they were and how you didn't even need to be good at poker to do that.


I really don't know how some of you mention you are in my position with no job experience ever and was able to get a finance job. Did you just mention you played online poker the last 7 years or something? My resume is basically empty. My other issue is my speaking isn't that good anymore. Online poker definitely played a part in it since im usually isolated a lot. All my friends are people with regular jobs... i also don't speak much to them anymore due to being out of the us now. They know my situation now and they all tell me just come back to the us and quit since im not even making any money now. However if i come back, i don't have any options at all.



And the worst part about all this was when i was younger, I was always studying and had pretty high grades throughout high school. Then in college, i unfortunately had something that happened to me where my life just went bad. Basically my grades dropped then i had to drop ton of classes etc because of something physical that happened to me that I won't mention here. So had that not happen, most likely i would have just gotten an accounting degree and got a job. At the time, i did play a bit of poker at the college for fun and liked it... however... i never played online. The only reason why i did discover online poker was because of something that happened to me where I got really depressed and life changed a lot about it. Im pretty certain to this day had that thing not happen to me, I probably wouldn't even have played online poker more than few month at the most.

The other thing is I hear people say well if you were an online poker player and did win money, then you most likely would be successful in other things. This may be true for many but my issue was the game i played required the least amount of skill. Basically as long as you weren't an idiot, you would profit etc.


If i go back to the us, im 100 percent going to be staying in my parents home until i do something. The thing is where i live the rent is extremely expensive if i rent a place myself. Also if i do move back to the us, there is no way i would play any online poker anymore because the options are horrible for us players. Im not going to try to support myself with online poker in the us. I don't think i could even make 1k a month on us sites. I tried doing that for a bit after BF, and it was basically not possible for me. I was a heavy sng multitabler and us sites at the time didn't offer much. I can't beat cash games.


Also to the person that said im in a better position than many with a finance degree... I don't know anything or remember anything. The other thing is even when i graduated, i didn't remember much of anything. The only thing that i had working at the time was my speaking was pretty decent.


The thing that is upsetting about all this for me is my timing with so many things are very bad. I'm a pretty unlucky person. I actually moved out of the us because there was somethign I could do online wise... not online poker but it had to do with online gambling where it was very profitable. I had spoke to someone who did this for a living for a while and when i explained it to them, he told me yep everything i said was correct and accurate. He told me thats pretty much how he made a living for over 10 plus years etc but the opportunities i saw it was something that didn't show up much anymore. Also it was risk free as well.


My issue was those opportunities all dissappeared when i moved here. These opportunites there when i saw it online etc. I even asked certain sites if they will continue this and they said yea most likely said yes. Then of course when i got here it all ended. I was thinking about doing that for majority of my income then play online poker for fun. I even calculated how much i would average a month doing this and said this is very good. But once i found out i couldn't do it anymore once, i wondered how could this all happen just like this. I guess you can compare it to like how back then it was very easy to make money in online poker/sportsbetting/casinos when there were a ton of promos.


Ideally if i could, i would do accounting. I always liked it. However, it was something that happened to me in college where everything in my life just collapsed because of a certain event that happened to me. The only reason why i even graduated college was because finance was one of the easier majors to get a degree from and i graduated with really poor grade. However, i'm positive that i would have gotten acct degree then if my life didn't change because of that certain event. I wouldn't even have discovered online poker or cared about it if that didn't happen.

The other thing is this. At what point in my situation would it be extremely bad. If i was 35 and in this position, then its pretty much over then right even with a finance degree but no job experience whatsoever? I recalled reading a poker article many years ago with someone interviewing a guy at bellagio who was playing tournaments and wanted to stay anonymous.


He basically mentioned that he doesn't really care about the tourney because he only had XX percent of himself only and because he's in lot of makeup etc. The interview person asked him well what would he do if he doesn't do well in these tourneys and he basically said well theres nothing i can do really because hes in his mid 30s now and i dont have any other options so im just going to have to continue grinding even though i dont like it. He did mention he didn't have a degree though.


The thing is the way i look at it, if i was interviewing someone who was in my position, my first thought would be okay this guy has a finance degree 7 years ago... the issue is all he did was play online poker and never had a real job at all. I mean i might go okay this is an interesting candidate but it would be hard to hire him for anything if you know what i mean. The only thing that would work out is if say the interviewer liked to play poker, go to casino bet sports etc. Is my logic wrong here?

Honestly, there are few limits because of age. Things get harder the further you get from normal age/qualifications/job history, but nothing ever becomes impossible or even particularly hard. You just need to apply yourself and become an obviously valuable hire. Thirty is far from a death sentence in starting just about any career.

The fact that you're not instinctively bugged by the lack of "I" capitalization is probably more of a strike against your chances of success than your age. You need to read more widely.

Apply yourself like above poster said.

Go back to parents, apply for small jobs first, like at bank branches doing teller work. Just start somewhere and hustle it.

Relearn english, practice it until you are fluent again.

The boat you are on is a sinking boat, if not you wouldn't have posted this thread. Jump off this ship immediately and start spending time looking.

One step at a time, go back home, save ur money, live with parents, rebuild. Grind it again.

If you spend ur waking hours back in the US rebuilding your skill sets, you will succeed again and find a career. Sitting and moping is a waste of time, get moving.

And by the way, I don't think from what you've said that you're an unlucky person. Very few able-bodied, non trauma experiencing, non horrible family people are genuinely more unlucky than average in life.

**** happens to everyone. The locus of control for how that turns out (at least in sane people without major trauma) is nearly entirely in the individual. Believing that you've been unlucky and that things would be different if x or y had just happened at the right time is a rather damaging belief (not to mention, untrue and ridiculously selective). Because as hard as it might be to accept, success - at least at an average level - is really about character and habit, and not luck.

it would be interesting to calculate some of the downside in life on average and variance

probably insurance industry has it...

Why do so many people say 1/2 live is beatable for double figures.

It must be an inside joke I don't get.

Bull **** !!!

business temp agency will land you a job fairly easily

they will even give you some free training for the skills you will need

pay not so great

good for getting your feet wet

What type of jobs do business temp agencies give? My other issue is my resume is basically blank. Also i only attempted to do a resume one time and it was back in college to learn how to do it and i could never get it right. But even if i did, its basically blank. However, does this mean it would be impossible to find a finance job years down the road? Im just really frustrated and embarrassed about my situation. Many of my friends are accountants, work in stock exchange, cpa etc. Many of them are married or close to it and most of them already have their own homes already. Then again most people around that age is like that or close to it as in terms of buying a home or close to getting married.


The other thing is would it be possible for me to do accounting? The thing is i always liked accounting. Again if something didn't happen to me a while back which changed my life, i would have probably did internship, graduated and gotten an accounting job. But if i do that, would i have to go back to a regular college and do 2 years? Im assuming those credits i had from many years ago would still be good? I hear about those other 1-2 year colleges which is only business for accounting and other things. But are those a waste of time? I just have a very bitter taste in my mouth from that traumatic event that changed my life and made me give up.


And to the person that said you don't think im an unlucky person. Trust me, i had something that happened to me that changed my life which made me gave up in life. It was basically one of the most horrific events that can happen to a guy. If i mention what it was, then im sure many of you would probably be traumitized. And yes it involves the word trauma.


Also i been very unlucky with a lot of things. Many things that has happened to me has been just unbelievably unlucky. The odds of so many things happening to me was so unlucky that I have felt like giving up. So thats why i posted this because Im thinking well if i go and try to get a job like a regular person, maybe i don't have to endure so much bad luck anymore. The thing is if I didn't have a degree or had dropped out of college, well then going back to college is an option. But since i already have a degree, then i dont know what im suppose to do. Im wondering if i had gotten an acct degree instead, what would have been options now but of course thats another thing.

http://www.roberthalf.com/accountemps

show them proof of college degree

the college degree will get you in the door

tell them you are a bit rusty

they want to place you so they can make money

they will train you or direct you to the training you will need

once you know what they want, you can learn it free from the internet

easy peasy

your first assignment will possibly suck

future assignments could/should get better

google is you friend, plenty of temp agencies like this

again, google is your friend

this is way easier then you are making this out to be

you need to work on your confidence

http://www.roberthalf.com/accountemps

I'm sorry you're going through this Joseph2, but I feel like most people are missing the point. Your question of "can I succeed" isn't the issue that needs to be addressed. Of course you can succeed, of course you can make it, thousands (10,000's, 100,000's) of people in first world countries (America, Germany, Australia, Canada, etc.) screw up their lives in their 20's and 30's. They make huge mistakes/regrets that they kick themselves for for decades. But they pull themselves out of it.

And guess what, you're WAY ahead of the average early 30 year old. The average 30 year old's net worth is $8-$9K. Since you have 4 times that, you've got the net worth of 4 of your first world peers. Also you have a degree. Thousands (millions) of your peers don't even have that, I don't.

So yes, you can make it. And making it in America isn't that hard.

Your real problem is your depression. I'm not a counselor, I'm not the correct person to talk to about this, but I can recognize it because I've gone through it. I highly recommend coming back to America, moving in with your parents, and starting counseling right away.

The one last bit of advice I can give you, is to stop comparing yourself to others. Comparison is the killer of joy. Most people pretend to be doing great, post these extravagant facebook vacations, etc. etc. But they're full of ****. Delete your facebook/instagram/all of that bull ****, move back home, get counseling, and get a beginner job. (as my aunt said, facebook should be called twofacebook, because everyone's just putting on a front)

Good luck man, hit me up on skype if you want to chat more. I'm RikaKazak on skype just like on here.

Do you have experience with this firsthand?

Thanks for the response. The thing is compared to my friends my age who does have a college degree... I'm pretty much in the bottom of the barrel. Also when i graduated college, im pretty sure i would been able to find a job if i looked just like my other friends. Yes i know comparing to others is horrible. The thing is i just can't believe this all happened to me. The thing is anyone that knew me over 10 years ago would have guessed i would probably have a very successful career by now. I was the definition of a nerd back then. Then when i had this trauma experience that happened to me, i pretty much lost confidence and everything in school and life.


The thing is right now i'm pretty depressed because of my situation. However, my situation many years ago is when i was at the absolute bottom of the barrel If i mention to you all what this was, you would all say damn man you are unlucky.


The other thing is this. If i was making decent money doing online poker and online betting, i would not feel this way. Im just upset that when i got here, all the opportunities i saw disappeared.


I have facebook but i dont even use it much. No instagram or anything like that. So none of this is an issue.


Thank you i will send you a skype message later on when i have the time. I have a lot of other things to think about right now as well.

If anyone has been in my situation, i would really like to hear your story. Also you mention there are people that screwed up their lives in their 20s and 30s and then changed their lives. Im curious how many people there are like that. I would assume there isn't that much though and its really rare.

Yes, many years ago, I am retired/ self employed now, I do ok for myself

go to the link/drop down job seekers

you meet with a staffing manager, he/she will hold your hand

your degree will get you a job

use friends for references, etc., bluff, but don't over bluff.

the more confidence you show, the higher paying temp job you will get

good luck, you need to take the first step, the recruiter has seen way bigger blank slates than you.

the recruiter wants you, they will tell you what you need to do.

Proof of your college degree will get you a job


this is super easy

if you can add 2+2, they have a job you are qualified for

Rika is right about not comparing yourself. Have a look at this post by Seth Godin. You mention the people who have great jobs and are getting married, etc. as if they are better than you by default but that's just not true. Many of them are likely up to their eyeballs in student debt and are adding to the pile by financing weddings, cars, homes at full market price filled with furniture purchased on credit, etc. Many of them are paddling a canoe towards a big waterfall, and you're not. You have a big cash surplus and you have been able to grit it out in an environment that's way tougher than most jobs -- and you're aware that you're not special, that you need to improve, etc. and you have a finance degree. You've got a lot of potential, but you may not see it because you're in a bad situation that may distort your view.

Rika, Tien, Toothsayer, et al. are smart, objective thinkers who don't have problem telling it like it is. If they think you have a shot at success then you're probably a favorite to get there if you put in the work.

I agree with what the others have been saying. if u have 35k to your name, your fine financially, your problems lie elsewhere. you need to build up some confidence and start doing instead of wondering and wishing.

ultimately quitting poker is an example. why quit? ok fine quit, but I'm only asking that because I want you to reflect on your situation. you're giving up, instead of facing the problem and working harder on your game. go kick some dudes asses on the felt!

perhaps it is best to go live with your parents for a bit to keep costs low and get a supporting cast in your corner. you can do whatever you want to do in this world but you can't wish for it. there is plenty of money to be made on USA sites to, plenty.

go live with the parents for awhile, work on your poker game a bit each week, eat healthy, exercise, think about your next career move and the steps you have to take to get there. you are never to old to do anything.

I just saw jimmy carter, aged 90, battling cancer and the dude is still on a mission to be productive. you only got one life, be courageous. the only limitations you have are the ones you set on yourself, you need to strike up some motivation and confidence. perhaps you did go through a terrible experience but you're not the only one, you have to get over it and grow stronger each day. get pissed man! light up your fire of courage!

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riding it out and making some money while you can is fine, but def don't consider poker part of your professional future imo

I didnt read all the responses but here is my advice. Make everything a positive and tell the truth/explain what youve been doing to any employers when you apply/interview. Live with your parents while you figure out what you want to do. Get a job doing anything to get income coming in and you will figure out your career as you go. Work your way up and just be hungry and eager to learn. Put poker on your resume and explain it to an employer they could be interested in hearing about it and it will separate you from everyone else.

some good advice itt

i'll add my 2 cents

your story and the way you tell it sounds like it is coming from a failure. maybe you had delusions of being the next phil ivey or even just some baller grinding a quarter mill long-term but that not happening is just disappointing but it doesnt make you a failure. its all about your pov.

imo you want to make sure that doesnt come across moving forward. you need to build a story about who and what you are moving forward that doesnt come across as defeated or desperate. for both personal and business. build a story that employers will not only accept but they will appreciate

the good news is you have a great story, its just youre not telling it properly. youre a successful poker player that applied the discipline to be self employed and the work ethic to get ahead of the game and stay there. anyone can google and find out about black friday. explain that you decided to experience life abroad and took it as an opportunity to do this. you are now at the point in your life you have to make decisions for the future. fortunately you have a story that many employers will deep throat like porn star needing a paycheck. you love the good ol U.S of A. you have to choose between one or the other. the future is in the USA and your future is doing in the work force what you did at poker. rise to the top and succeed through all the traits your employer wants to hear. your not a guy whos failed, back tracking, desperate, etc. youre a guy whos starting a new chapter, has new goals, a proven winner, etc. employers want a diamond in the rough and youre that guy. thats your story. your not this frustrated, disappointed, confused, scared, desperate etc person

dont let a single failure or disappointment define you imo. you can still fail at something and be winner moving forward. if you plan on doing well and being an asset to a company you should see yourself as such. i realize its going be tough going back to ramen noodles but how you view yourself and how you project those feelings will have a huge impact on your "success" and quality of life

find out what job/position you actually aspire to, and get on that path. you might change directions but find a goal and get excited & motivated about reaching it. its a much easier sell when its the truth

good luck

also if you start at the bottom you can still grind a bit in the US of A afaik. 1k a month tax free on the side will likely be an option. i used to work full time and grind poker. its easy to put in 1-2 hours 4+ times a week. poker is a lot more fun when its not your paycheck and you put in way less volume. grinding out 1/4th of your full time profit is like 10x easier imo

Breathe muther****er!

http://www.wimhofmethod.com/

http://fourhourworkweek.com/blog/ - listen to what Wim Hof has to say

http://www.highexistence.com/the-wim...immune-system/

op why don't you get a job in an industry you like and play poker on the side? This way you can build up a career while still maintaining a side income...the good thing about poker is the hours are extremely flexible and the games during the workweek suck anyways so its not like you're giving up a ton of short term money.