wickedfire forums or blackhat seo world....you've got to be a little more careful on DP because of the amount of scammers on there.

Ive had good experiences with getafreelancer.com too.

***Official "Website Domains For Sale" Thread***

I just found this while searching the forums. It's "hidden" in a subforum of the Marketplace. I posted a website there, although I think this is a useful thread for those who want to sell and buy domains on 2p2. I think there's just no traffic in it because of what an obscure place it's in.

Excellent thread so far. I haven't read all of it yet, but I wanted to mention a cheap guide to making money online. The site is The Keyword Academy (this is my affiliate link) and it teaches you how to pick green keywords (keywords that your site can rank #1 for) and how to get your site to rank. It also has guides on how to monetize them and a super useful forum where all the members post. There are several people in the forums that make $2500-$5000 and up and they help out all the time. I had been studying internet marketing for like 6 months before I found this site and quickly realized how off the mark I was (none of the sites I had dabbled with were optimized, monetized, written, coded or linked properly) as I'd only been reading random blogs and like 90% of **** on IM blogs is horse crap.

Anyway, this course is really awesome and their videos are extremely helpful. My sites are still too young to pull in their required amount of traffic, but I'm still building links and gearing up to rank highly.

The first month of the course is $1 and the rest are $33/m. You are welcome to cancel before the 2nd billing period and won't get another charge. I did this at first, then a week later went ahead and signed up. It's been 2 months and I don't regret it.

Time to finish this thread.

Um, how about a banner that says "Stop being an FPP pro and make real money!" and work out an affiliate system with the various poker coaching sites. You can also put banners for highly regarded poker books and DVDs and become an affiliate for Amazon or any other merchant that sells such items. Adding a forum would increase traffic, most likely PR and your authority. You can insert ads in between posts of your forum or use scripts that turn certain words into affiliate links, etc. There are tons of ways to monetize any site. Your problem is that your domain doesn't grab a broad enough range of visitors alone. "PokerFPPPro" would have been better since it includes a main keyword for the demographic you're interested in receiving. If I were you I would find green keywords you can rank for (see my affiliate link if you're interested in doing this) and create posts on your site about them and properly backlink them to rank for that term (again, see the affiliate link ;-)).

A few things...

1) LOL @ "domain squatting". If you think that speculating on premium keyword domains is "squatting", you have the wrong mindset.

2) Save for the occasional freak of nature, you aren't going to be hand-reg'ing anything in the year 2009 that has much resale value. It's certainly not a sustainable strategy, even if you get lucky a few times. Cliffs: Spend $1000 on one good name on the aftermarket, not hand-reg'ing 125 pieces of **** that cost $1000 ever year to renew.

3) "I just need to find a site with more professionals..." sounds a lot like moving up levels to where they respect your raises. If you have quality names and price them realistically, they will sell on SEDO, afternic, ebay or forums, 100% of the time. The problem is the "quality names" and "priced realistically" part. That's what most people fail at. You will find that beginners don't have quality names (even though they're just 100% certain they do), and a lot of more experienced portfolio holders with genuinely good names don't price them realistically; since the cost to carry is $8 a year, there isn't an immediate financial consequence to break their delusion.

hahaha move up to where they respect your raises

how is that? The rate domains have been appreciated is something like 10% year over year if I remember correctly.

You'd be surprised at the under 14 character keyword domains I've actually found "unregistered" or picked up right after they get dropped by accident. ; ) Check out below. Also, as things in societies change new word combinations come about and these get registered along the way. Or you can guess and predict them. You don't really think swine flu keyword domains were registered in the 90s do you? That's the thing these people who say "well all the good domains were already taken in the 90s and early 00s" they don't realize that once something new comes about only then the search traffic starts and will be highly profitable and premium. Thanks for the info on going with SEDO. I just got into this stuff about a year ago. I will go with them now.

http://www.justdropped.com/


"Domain name research and appraisal services firm Zetetic reports that the median domain name aftermarket resale price increased by 24 percent between 2004 and 2005, while the average increased only 8.5 percent."

http://www.domaininformer.com/news/p...03ZETETIC.html

you also have to keep in mind the internet is still very young and one of the fastest growing places to do business in the economy. The price appreciation from my low quality names could appreciate at a higher percentage and more safely than an investment in any stock market ETF, emerging market what have you. Not to mention how cyclical and speculative investing in stocks can be given the history of emerging markets and the 20 yr span the US market was flat which very likely will happen again. The opportunity cost is attractive.

You have to understand that "domains" aren't like stocks, bonds or other investment vehicles. Each one is unique as a fingerprint and the number of .com "domains" that are lucid, coherent and actually salable is fixed tight as a drum- and virtually every one is spoken for. The idea of "domains" as a broader collective isn't accurate, considering that there are only a fixed number of domains that mean anything, the value of each one is contingent on an infinite number of unrelated industries and economies. Even though the number of .com registrations has increased exponentially since 2000, the number of "good" names has remained precisely the same. A little chart I cobbled up using data per zooknic data.



Sale prices for quality names have definitely increased, but don't think that just because you can register eCars4321.mobi, that has anything whatsoever to do with the ultimate value of Cars.com.



1) "Character Rules" are for rookies. Do you think InterestOnlyMortgages.com is worth less because it's "too long"? If the keyword set is as succinct as possible, it doesn't matter how many characters it has.

2) "real time" domaining is a failboat. One thing I can absolutely predict: On June 25-30th, 2010, tens of thousands of Michael Jackson related domains will drop. While there are narrow circumstances where completely random things burst onto the scene and become relevant to all our lives from that point forward (9/11, etc), generally, buying domains with a timestamp is lighting money on fire.

Past performance is not necessarily an accurate predictor of future gains.
A lot of domain prices are just like Florida Condos in 2006. Look at the last TRAFFIC auction. It was a ****ing massacre... (I'm saying this objectively, as someone who owns a lot of them, including desirable ones that are worth money)

who the ***k would
I mentioned keywords right after characters. You really believe all things equal a shorter domain is worth the same or less than a longer one as far as a social site? If that were the case Google the company would have gone with GoogleWebSearchOnTheInternet.com Only problem is it isn't worth more because its way harder to remember and would get fewer organic type in traffic. Long tail keywords will usually get less search traffic than short keywords too.
Lighting money on fire? that doesn't make any sense if you make thousands off it in that short time period organically. Also, I'm speculating on social movements and demographic trends too based on what should happen because of history. One is a workers movement in China.

I just started about a year ago and did make the mistake of buying worthless domains at first but since I learned keywords and keeping them pretty short I picked up some decent ones unregistered or found dropped. I found tradingjunky.com unregistered bought it for like $9 and flipped it for one or two hundred $ to someone who used it for a social site. I might have been able to get more which stunk but this can be done.

I also got an inquiry on one in another niche I found either dropped or unregistered and am just going to sit on it and maybe even develop it before i sell if i do. Have you ever picked up a dropped domain? I recommend combing through them for decent ones that can be had every now and then.
http://www.justdropped.com/

i could just be a nub, but from everything i have seen i strongly disagree with this statement (the long tail)

wait a sec. If you're so pessimistic about domains why do you own a lot of them especially if you paid full value or a premium for them?

yeah would love to see this in bfi.

i dont go to 'marketplace' or whatever.

would a single thread dedicated to discussion of website ownership/sales/trades/development go down well here?

I don't think "succinct" means what you think it means.

Unless we move fully speech to text, good luck with long tail (and I mean genuine long tail.. Not otherwise viable keyword names that violate "character rules" still adhered to by ******ed newbies)

A) I didn't pay "full value, especially a premium for them". I reg'd my first name in the 20th century. Relatively speaking, there aren't many of us...

B) The ones I did buy on the aftermarket are worth profoundly more than I paid as earning platforms. GL with playing "Who's The Bigger ******" on BIDO with names like tradingjunky.com for "one or two hundred..." I'll stick to the names I deal with (keywords, search terms with the occasional high quality brand platform, like CondoWorld or CouponSpot or iFurniture)

C) I understand stuff about domain names (and particularly the ones I own, ergo, why I own them) that you don't even begin to

You have a very bright future in this.
Good luck.

i've google searched this and read through this thread but have a question.

sorry if this is like asking 'should i invest in the dow or the ftse?'

but...i am thinking of setting up a website which would get hits purely from search engines.

for the domain, i have a choice between:

www.runningkangeroo.com

and

www.running-kangeroo.com

(the two words have been changed btw, just as an example).

which is better?

if i then wanted to expand into say running zebra, would it be better to do the same as above, and have a second website, replacing kangeroo for zebra, or would it be better to say have just one website but with subdomains:

www.runninganimals.com/zebra
www.runninganimals.com/kangeroo
(or www.running-animals.com/zebra and www.running-animals.com/zebra)

also, i have experience in using Joomla. Could I just do a quick Joomla website, put up some content, some googleads, and then sit back and whilst all those animal running enthusiasts search for me?

many thanks if you can give your thoughts on the above

john

I'd go with www.runningkangeroo.com and focus just on that one specific keyword. Rank and get traffic for it. Once you are happy with it, get www.runningzebra.com and rank and get traffic for it. Once you have a few of those sites, make www.runninganimals.com/{zebra|kangeroo|turtle|etc} and drop links to that site from your other sites. If it is a really tough but valuable word to rank for, you'll want to have all of these sites on different hosts so that you have different class C ip address for each.

I'm going to assume you're misspelling Kangaroo and not proposing fabricating an awful, awful brand...

No hyphen. Search engines ignore them, but users hate them. If you plan on having any kind of offline presence avoid the hyphen.

It depends entirely on your goals.
If you want to play the adsense game, there can be SE advantages (particularly as it relates to semantic content and BL structure) with multiple sites, not to mention some tactical considerations but that's a whole world unto itself. If you're intent on building something a bit more 'meaningful' than a gussied up splog, it might be best to do it under one platform to help with user-based critical mass.

Super, many thanks, much appreciated.

I'll buy the url and once built I'll post it.

ps the misspelling was by mistake.

I've been curious about setting up these kinds of sites - can you give names of some of the software that would work best for this?

For whatever kind of site you want to start, just use google. Type in "facebook clone script" or "youtube clone script", something like that. I believe there is a digg clone called pligg.

For this post we'll assume we are talking about maxtower's counterstrike site and also assume it is being started from scratch several months before counterstrike was released.

What is the value of a post in a forum for a niche website? Assume you had 1000/4000/8000/12000 relevant posts about your topic. What kind of foundation will those posts set for your website in regards to search engine rankings, conversion rate for affiliate ads, conversion rate for visitors joining the community? Are any terms and conditions violated if these initial relevant posts are from paid contributors?

my point is that in the past you could have said things like watches.com were highly valuable...

but now sites like swisswatches.com and underwaterwatches.com are worth a decent amount too.

(i realise that the above two sites would have had huge value in the past too, just making a general point here)

the long tail means that new markets are continuously becoming viable

An individual post won't be worth enough to worry about it unless that specific post has quality content that will get linked to. For 99% of forum posts, that value won't apply.

When starting a site from scratch, typically you'll first have some decent content, which will drive traffic, and then that traffic will start to post in your forums. I know some people have started forums from scratch but there is probably some decent promotion involved.