I've been long this POS since 2014...
i'm down like $150k...
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
This is just a dumb fluff piece/thread.
Zero discussion of competitors bringing down the prices of Hep C drugs. Zero discussion of competitor's upcoming products.
Sovaldi and Harvoni account for well over half of their revenues and most of their profits. 12 weeks of Harvoni costs nearly $100,000. There are compelling competitors coming to market from the big players which are far cheaper, and more yet will come. If they are successful, this is going to hammer both revenue and profit margins.
I don't know whether they will be successful. But the fact that you don't even discuss this - the most relevant part of analyzing this company - in two long posts means that you are a total idiot/mere stock pumper.
I believe nobody is paying full price on harvoni, but it makes headline and people scream to the scandal, the alternative was a liver trasplant which cost way more than 100k.
now litteraly any company adding harvoni to their drug is able to cure hcv, guess what harvoni + water cures 98% of hcv cases.
i believe it's one of those situation when the market is clearly wrong, overestimating that revenue and income is going to shrink forever at an absurd level.
market is too short-sighted and the last quarter was bad, and it dropped from $100 to $83, totally nuts.
market wants an acquisition to boost pipeline, etc.. but they are way smarter to buyback their shares, at least it's accretive and they are increasing ROIC giving something to shareholder, unfortunally wall street is ******ed and they wants revenue growth, and growth is potentially infinite so potentially infinite income. (lol)
the problem is that the future is gray with the upcoming election, and who knows what clinton will do to those big pharma. this is were the opportunity arises and you should go long.
it's not really deep value at 83$, but I don't think this is going to be worth less than $77 for a long time, if the fundamentals remain the same. You can run any dcf you want, with terminal growth rate -1% this eps, discounting 12% it's worth no less than $77...
the growth story for the future is absent, in the sense that it earns $17B which is like in top5 of the s&p, behind AAPL; BRK, WFC; JPM; VZ, so, it's really not sustainable, not with this pipeline. and also, given the fact that it's a cure those eps are not recurring.
if everything is already priced in and discounted, the only way to go up, it's really trhough an acquisition, and I'm not sure what is ok to buy right now... perhaps VRX after they default.
long term debt is at 22B, which is high... I thought it was a smart idea to make more debt to increase the buyout, but apparently, market didnt' think it's wise.
right now, it's a good time and price to buy if you have 12-18months timeframe, it's quiet slightly above 80s, perhaps it go down further perhaps it starts ripping and you make your 10% within 1 month... i like to buy when nobody is watching and stock won't move... once it's too talked and too crowded, there is none left to buy because it's too good to be true. (like in 2014 when i jumped for the first time -.-)
if you buy this, be prepared to suffer... because it's really way worse than it may seem.