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Originally Posted by kylefrey
Just a quick question, any help would be appreciated:
I'm learning about long term investing, and was wondering why a good company that is increasing its book value, would ever be trading below book value?
In particular, I was looking at citi and BP. I know that BP stock is hurt from the crashing oil prices, and citi from the financial crisis, but why below book value? Does that mean that there is a chance that people think the companies could go bankrupt / not recover?
Any info that I'm missing would be great, I'm really new to this. Thanks.
There are a ton of reasons for a name to trade below book value. Here are a few.
1. Book value is not always calculated accurately. I don't mean that companies lie about it, but that they may price certain assets differently than the market might actually pay for them. Two examples:
- You're a big bank like citi, and you hypothetically have a lot of exposure to security A, which is quoted at say $10B in book value, that's the number included in the calculation. But lets say they go to try and liquidate that $10B, and due to the market being illiquid it could realistically only get $5B if sold immediately. Citi's book value would thus be worth a lesser amount to the market.
- You're a big energy firm like BP, and you hypothetically have a lot of oil assets in Brazil that are worth $10B in book value under normal conditions. But lets say they just had a presidential election, and the woman who got re-elected is very bad for energy companies and business in general (this actually just happened, see the ticker PBR if you want to see what that looks like). Investors decide BP will only get $5B for these assets, even they are worth $10B on paper.
2. Book value by itself could be an entirely irrelevant metric based on a number of circumstances. For example, a bank could have a book value of $100B, but maybe it played a large and negative role during some of kind financial crisis event, and now investors think there's a good probability they will be on the hook for $20B in settlement costs, causing their book value to trade at $80B. Or perhaps they're a major energy company that owns a huge number of assets in timbiktu that requires oil to be priced at $80/barrel else their investor expectation is to lose a lot of money. So those assets are now priced to generate negative cash flows, and thus command a lower total book value.
Another example of this could be a software company that manages an app and a network of drivers to schedule pick-ups and drop-offs in a bunch of major cities globally. Perhaps that company just raised money at a $50B valuation. There's almost no chance that it's book value is worth $50B, and nor could the company itself just say "our offices are worth $1B, we don't own any vehicles, we acquired a few companies so we have $2B in goodwill, we'll just say that our app is worth $47B in book value to make up the difference".
3. For a common stock shareholder, the book value may not actually derive the value gained in a liquidation. Another example, (they're easier for this) an energy company has $100B in book value. Of this number, $20B of their highest quality assets have a special financing arrangement securing just assets in the event of a bankruptcy.While this number stays on the top level of the firm's book value, in a bankruptcy the stockholders have no rights to that and are left with the remaining $80B of lower quality assets, that may not even be worth that.
Book value is almost worthless for the sake of finding value unless you are researching it in depth to find out if there is real value there. Best of luck.