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Old 02-01-2012, 03:56 PM   #1
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February Trading Thread

Bought Titn b4 the close at 24.43

It dipped to support levels today and can keep a real tight stop
Positive construction numbers came out today
Tsco reports at the close. Prob a good qtr, prob good for Titn who sells a lot of tractors
Nice rev growth
Crushed the last qtr
Still relatively cheap at 13pe
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:17 PM   #2
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Thoughts on Amzn after their recent drop?

How many people under 30 don't go to amazon first when they're looking to buy something?
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:49 PM   #3
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i love amazon to death and make a lot of purchases on it. i'm 26.

but i think their profit margins are way too thin (and will remain so). It's just a part of the business they are in, and I don't have an especially great outlook on them (vs apple), so i'm staying away. i like their long term prospects, but i think there are better choices out there that should offer better value for the stock price
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:39 PM   #4
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Bought Dow Chemical on 1/31 ahead of earnings. Expecting them to beat estimates again.
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:40 PM   #5
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Well put frinxor. Amazon is along way from having the fundamentals to justify the valuation. Great site, risky stock
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:13 PM   #6
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Can someone quickly explain the rational behind AMZNs valuation? Anyone follow this company closely care to fill me in, I'd be interested in learning.
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:38 PM   #7
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Thoughts on Amzn after their recent drop?

How many people under 30 don't go to amazon first when they're looking to buy something?
I'm 24 and have been on Amazon's website exactly one time in my life and that was to buy a kindle for my mom last Christmas. I wasn't impressed by the website's layout or navigation. I have spent far more time looking at the stock than I ever will spend on the site.
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:43 PM   #8
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Can someone quickly explain the rational behind AMZNs valuation? Anyone follow this company closely care to fill me in, I'd be interested in learning.

I'll give it a shot without going too indepth. First off, Amazon is considered by nearly everyone as the company that is going to absolutely dominate retail online (which is always part of the equation -- they are the structural winner). I don't own amazon, but if it sold at multiples similar to other retailers it'd be my biggest holding by far. (I love amazon -- spend about 15k a year on the site -- mostly stuff for my kid)

Amazon chooses to forgo current profits for future profits/cashflow. From the very start they've told you that this is their strategy (they took this playbook out of Costco and Walmart's play book). Some companies try to expand profit margins (think apple or and luxury retailer). Amazon's strategy is to work with the smallest of profit margins to gain market share by A) crushing their competition who cannot operate profitably at similar price pts and B) investing their profits back into their customers (customer satisfaction and acquisition).

A fun question to ask people, especially the younger generation is what percentage of retail sales are done online. Answer Below the paragraph. If this # explodes as is expected and Amazon continues to gain share and widen their moat as they have thus far (Estimated 13% of global ecommerce in 2011) they'll easily grow into their valuation (you never know if they'll continue to be able to do this -- especially internationally in places like China, etc). Just plug in the numbers expected growth in the overall market online, online sales growth, Amazon's increased share. Well that's the bull thesis at least.

For the guy who thinks their profit margins are thin -- that's just the way they like it. they figure with their infrastructure (best in class by far) if they squeeze margins -- it will just be impossible to compete with them over the long haul. Their operating margins have been 0.5% to 1.5% generally. If they were to increase prices by 50 cents for every $100 i doubt they'll lose too many customers. They can increase their profits at any time.

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Old 02-01-2012, 11:52 PM   #9
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duplicate.

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Old 02-01-2012, 11:59 PM   #10
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come onnnnn, how can you talk about Amzn and not mention Kindle? Kindle Fire? The stock isn't trading at like a 95 p/e (over 100 when you back out cash) because they sell a lot of paperback books.

But I agree with the dilemna they're facing in margins. As other b&m retailers fall by the wayside, it's leaving the remaining ones in a fight to the bottom.

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Old 02-02-2012, 12:10 AM   #11
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FTPdelay sums up the reason why someone is in amazon pretty well.

They are absolutely killing the market and gaining share. Their current net income could also be argued as "depressed" since they are investing heavily at the moment (which is what you want anyways).

Almost all my online shopping comes from amazon. Once in a while I find something good on slickdeals and have to go to another site. The thing that keeps amazon #1 for me is def. the consistency + quality.

and anyways... never had a position in the stock but i love the company.
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:19 AM   #12
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Thanks FTPdelaysuck. Really appreciate it.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:01 AM   #13
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A fun question to ask people, especially the younger generation is what percentage of retail sales are done online. Answer Below the paragraph.
Wow - crazy. Where is that stat from?

Great stuff about the company overall - thanks!
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:39 AM   #14
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Wow - crazy. Where is that stat from?

Great stuff about the company overall - thanks!
Goldman.. it was the estimated # for 2011 it was 2.7% in 2010.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:23 AM   #15
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anyone own (i don't) or look at FLL?
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