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01-24-2017 , 09:00 AM
All good guys, it finally hit kraken for me, not sure what took so long, and I started getting nervous. Thanks!
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01-24-2017 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by farmslicer7
All good guys, it finally hit kraken for me, not sure what took so long, and I started getting nervous. Thanks!
It took a long time because the network is experiencing a large backlog right now. https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions

65k unconfirmed transactions. It's happened before. This is why they are trying to make changes.
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01-24-2017 , 11:00 AM
I was actually reading about this Bitcoins idea from a book by Joseph Stiglitz, an economist. He has a booka bout why the Euro would not work, and this was one of his proposals!
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01-24-2017 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
It took a long time because the network is experiencing a large backlog right now. https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions

65k unconfirmed transactions. It's happened before. This is why they are trying to make changes.
transactions still happen very fast with a decent sized fee (25 cents +)

I agree it defeats the purpose and it shouldnt be this way, but if you dont care about a few cents and want to be a sure a transaction goes through, just make sure to pay a relatively high fee.
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01-24-2017 , 10:17 PM
Transferred $600 via blockchain wallet to bitpay card at 1pm. No confirmations at 7pm.. anything to worry about? Never had it take this long. Did auto fee which was .13. Totally spaced it when I processed or woulda numbed to a $1 or something.
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01-25-2017 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 94dc4
Transferred $600 via blockchain wallet to bitpay card at 1pm. No confirmations at 7pm.. anything to worry about? Never had it take this long. Did auto fee which was .13. Totally spaced it when I processed or woulda numbed to a $1 or something.
Use this one:
https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/

Bitpay suggested $0.4 for my latest transaction and it still took like 2h to get a confirmation
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01-25-2017 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by heltok
Use this one:
https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/

Bitpay suggested $0.4 for my latest transaction and it still took like 2h to get a confirmation
Interesting. 13 hours later still zero confirmations. I used the accelerator and I got "acceleration succeeded". Hopefully it yields something. Any thing else I can or should do if I get no results over a few hours?
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01-25-2017 , 09:35 AM
Curious to see if we see a biggish drop in price. With china adding trading fees, that makes most bots unprofitable. I wonder how many BTC these bot owners used to run their bots that they now have no need for and want to sell.
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01-25-2017 , 09:58 AM
can anyone give me direction on how I can redo this transaction with a much higher fee. I've found how tos but it seems none worked with the blockchain wallet. I'm going blockchain wallet to bitpay visa. Been in limbo 17 hours. $600 with a .13 fee.

Thanks in advance!

Transaction id

https://blockchain.info/tx/411fc8aae...87a9a01fab4215
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01-25-2017 , 10:55 AM
you dont need a much higher fee. $0.2 (0.00016 btc) would have been fine.

check out https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

65 sat/byte is pretty normal and you're tx is right in the middle. it'll get confirmed as soon as this backlog dies down, which could be any moment now.

https://blockchain.info/charts/mempo...e?timespan=all
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01-25-2017 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bucktotal
you dont need a much higher fee. $0.2 (0.00016 btc) would have been fine.

check out https://bitcoinfees.21.co/

65 sat/byte is pretty normal and you're tx is right in the middle. it'll get confirmed as soon as this backlog dies down, which could be any moment now.

https://blockchain.info/charts/mempo...e?timespan=all
Thanks for the info! How is it you see where my tx is?
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01-25-2017 , 12:16 PM
from your link, you paid X fees and your tx was Y size.

X / Y = sat/byte
0.0001469 btc / 226 bytes = 65 sat/byte
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01-25-2017 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bucktotal
from your link, you paid X fees and your tx was Y size.

X / Y = sat/byte
0.0001469 btc / 226 bytes = 65 sat/byte
Oh ok ha.

Is there a timeframe where something might need addressed? Say 24 hours from now nothing happens still. Is there a method of resubmitting with higher fee?
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01-25-2017 , 12:36 PM
as posted above, you can try the txaccelerator from viaBTC. im sure others are trying them too. i haven't tried or ever resubmitted a tx. it should sort itself out eventually.
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https://blockchain.info/charts/mempo...timespan=1week
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01-25-2017 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bucktotal
as posted above, you can try the txaccelerator from viaBTC. im sure others are trying them too. i haven't tried or ever resubmitted a tx. it should sort itself out eventually.
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https://blockchain.info/charts/mempo...timespan=1week
That's a major spike. Hopefully that comes down soon.


I did the accelerator at 5am mtn time 1/25. Submitted original at 11am 1/24.

Now 10am 1/25 with no confirmations.

If I try to cancel my "invoice" through my Bitpay account(if that's even possible) I wonder if I could resubmit with higher fee and get some priority. I'm not in a time crunch, it's just concerning it's taking 24+ hours.
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01-25-2017 , 01:20 PM
may i ask, you were paying an invoice for bitpay? did bitpay not accept your payment without any confirmations? i pay coinbase and bitpay invoices all the time and as long as i use a normal fee, the payment is accepted after 30 sec or so, with no confirmations yet.
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01-25-2017 , 01:24 PM
Wow interesting. My payout from ignition was unconfirmed the whole time I guess. All the sudden it's confirmed completely 24hours later, and now my transfer from blockchain to my bitpay visa is 2/3 confirmed. I didn't know that my ignition payout needed confirmed as the funds had appeared and I thought were good to go.

Problem solved I suppose! Thanks buck for all the help along the way. lol I know bitcoins working better now
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01-25-2017 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bucktotal
may i ask, you were paying an invoice for bitpay? did bitpay not accept your payment without any confirmations? i pay coinbase and bitpay invoices all the time and as long as i use a normal fee, the payment is accepted after 30 sec or so, with no confirmations yet.
Fwiw, did a bitpay two days ago to buy a VPN. They set $0.4 fee. Page turned green instantly. But the merchant waited until confirmation, so I did not get login details for 8 more hours.

Since Bitcoin likely wont have any solution up for months and maybe not even this year and this likely will only get worse and worse, I will start lobbying more for alternatives instead. Have already introduced 5 friends to Ethereum, the process is super easy and the blocks confirm super fast. In mist you can even buy ETH for BTC in seconds.
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01-25-2017 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by heltok
. In mist you can even buy ETH for BTC in seconds.
Pay a small fee to shapeshift but easy enough to do for a n00b.

It's all the tokens on eth and other blockchains where the real speculation is....golem, melonport, augur, iconomi, intellisys, cosmos, digix, etc...
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01-26-2017 , 08:00 PM
Just a random thought/rant about how most current systems seem prehistoric and why blockchain will be the future.

My current healthcare was no longer being provided in my area. I pay for my own as I'm a professional gambler. Anyhow.. they send me a letter saying pick an insurance or we'll pick one for you. So I call the marketplace and am told I need to be denied medicade before I can get marketplace insurance. Ok.. I apply for medicade and get denied. I call the marketplace back and tell them I'm denied so I sign up under Merridean Insurance. They then tell me that I must send them proof that I've been denied medicade. I'm thinking.. WTF. So I get all signed up and have paid a couple months premiums then I get a letter from the gov saying they have signed me up with XYZ insurance because I never chose one.

The point is, it's amazing how disconnected everything is and they have no clue wtf is going on.
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01-26-2017 , 08:08 PM
https://falkvinge.net/2017/01/26/imp...oundtable-iii/

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The bad

The major bitcoin discussions concerned segwit and the present deadlock. As it’s taking most of the energy right now, I’m also going to devote a lot of space to those impressions. There were many hours of discussion with (a non-identified subset of) people present calling for “segwit adoption and activation now”, plain and simple, with frustrated expressions that Chinese miners are “blocking progress” by not signaling, deploying, and activating segfault, basically “because they should be doing so”.

In a speaking slot of mine, I stood up and made the observation that we (people in the room) are acting like a Toyota boardroom who are trying to make a decision that every family should buy the latest Toyota model. “It doesn’t work like that”, I said. “We’re not the Soviet Politburo commanding a planned economy. The reality of the situation is that we’ve made the market an offer, and the market is rejecting our offer.” I made the point that thinking the market should behave differently, no matter how good your reasons, is not going to make the market behave differently in the slightest. The Toyota boardroom doesn’t get to decide what car a family should buy, and the present company does not get to decide what code miners run on their own machines. The world isn’t fair, but instead of complaining about it, play the cards you’ve got on your hand. Give your client what they want and you both benefit.

Some people seemed to take to this argument. Most didn’t, appearing to be stuck in the mindset that miners are there to serve the community, as opposed to the actual objective, serving themselves only as a rational economic actor.

I find it really, really frustrating that you have a room full of otherwise hyperintelligent people, who were told in very clear terms by the Chinese miners what those miners want about a year ago (a hardfork increasing the max blocksize limit for the present type of transactions to at least 2 megabytes), and today, you have the same people asking in frustration why Chinese miners are not adopting segwit when those miners said in bright blinking cleartext a year ago what it is they want, and it is not segwit. The lack of understanding the customer perspective comes across not just as substandard, but appalling to the level of downright confusing.

The conclusion from this meeting appears to be to do mostly nothing and just expect segwit to activate, possibly lowering the activation threshold (which would not go over well at all). I find that disappointing, because it means that 44 weeks from now, when segwit has definitely failed to activate (when the activation window closes), there will be a flurry of confused activity as what to do next. So in 52 weeks, we’ll be at anotherSatoshi Roundtable with absolutely no progress at all, if this is the only path worked on.

The alternative, of course, is that a hard fork happens in the meantime. There are at least four levels of hardfork that can take place, and the most likely is that enough miners just switch to a non-Core bitcoin distribution with a higher or dynamic blocksize limit – the second easiest level of hardfork.

I am aware of several hardfork initiatives, at three different levels, that are already underway with work progressing. I predict and anticipate an actual fork event to take place six to 18 months from now. And it’s not going to be “firing Core” as some would frame it; more accurately, it’s going to be “firing Blockstream”. The open question would be if such an event happens in time to preserve bitcoin’s first-mover advantage over other, technically superior coins – my crystal ball is very hazy on this point.

Overall, my assessment is that bitcoin is lacking project management. There’s no clear vision of what the community wants bitcoin to be, who the customer is, or what problem it should solve. This is maybe best illustrated by the rather random statement “It’s now clear that microtransactions have been priced out by rising transaction fees”, as one person stated in the meetings.

Yeah, bitcoin just lost two billion users, and it was presented like a freak, unforeseeable, completely unpreventable accident – like a volcano erupting. In reality, it was foreseeable for years and completely preventable. It’s okay to not prevent such a catastrophic loss of userbase as an active choice or as a choice of whom to target – but it’s not okay to merely observe “oh and by the way, this just happened”.

The ugly

The meeting started with the observation that there are now 70,000 transactions in the backlog. Despite this, a subset of the participants insist that there’s absolutely no problem with network capacity. It’s as if that subset of participants and another subset (including me) are living in different realities.

A further subset of people – I am still not going to name or imply an affiliation because Chatham House rules – insist on the importance of not taking risks with the bitcoin network. This comes across as completely counterfactual to me. We’ve seen a capacity ceiling approach for two years, and now we’ve hit it – how can you talk about not taking risks at the same time as you completely ignore the approaching and completely predictable capacity wall for several years? To many, this would come across as some form of arrogance, but calling it that would be to assign bad faith. I don’t believe in bad faith in this company; I prefer to assign the phenomenon to tunnel vision.

I’ve seen segwit rationalizations that doing a hardfork would take 12 months “and we must choose a fast path now”. Well then, the right thing to do would have been to start executing that hardfork lifting the blocksize limit a year ago, when miners declared loudly and openly that this is what they want. But that wasn’t done, and here we are a year later.

The best time to plant a tree was twenty years ago. The second best time is today. –Chinese proverb
Of course, this argument could be trivially rebutted by claiming that something has been done: segwit. But in my blunt world, it’s results that count, and segwit is not happening. Again, this was completely predictable with a modicum of project management.

Conclusion

In conclusion, it was a very productive meeting that was superbly organized and executed. Some of my preconceptions were shattered, particularly with regard to attitudes and professionalism; others were more or less confirmed, particularly with regard to stances and action plans of various actors and actor groups, as well as my assessment of the political situation at hand.

After this meeting, I’m very bullish on bitcoin’s future. There’s one thing I believe in more than ideas, and that’s people. Specifically, people with the ability to execute those ideas — and there’s a ton of them here. They’re not going to let bitcoin die silently with a whimper, but something will happen to resolve this deadlock, and it’s going to happen sooner rather than later with all this energy around. I cannot predict what that event is — as I said, I’m aware of three hardfork initiatives myself — but I am quite sure such an event will come from somewhere.
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01-26-2017 , 08:50 PM
Good read. Thanks. You left out the good though.
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01-26-2017 , 09:40 PM
I'm an occasional lurker struggling to follow the recent discussion - can someone dumb down the issue for me or link something? Seems like bitcoin is facing some important decisions (not literally, I know) and I'm interested in learning more
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01-27-2017 , 12:07 AM
I fully support people who want to run competing nodes that are looking to fork btc


But the issue with all of these competing projects is that all of them are run by hacks. They have no track record in the real world. No track record in crypto. And then on top of this, all of these competing projects have no roadmap at all. How can you support a project that has no direction? It's completely insane to me. The people who want to hardfork have no idea what they are doing in any capacity... not in a business perspective, Chinese perspective, whatever. That's because their projects are completely fake.

How the hell does anyone support spinning up a call competing node where you and everyone else in crypto has no idea what it's supposed to do? That's really dangerous, disingenuous, and just downright stupid.
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01-27-2017 , 12:29 AM
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I'm an occasional lurker struggling to follow the recent discussion - can someone dumb down the issue for me or link something? Seems like bitcoin is facing some important decisions (not literally, I know) and I'm interested in learning more
Today, there is a soft fork proposal that has been released by the maintainers of bitcoin's first client, bitcoin core. This soft fork appears to have been tested thoroughly and will function as intended if approved. The proposal has been built into a release of bitcoin core. Many people have updated their clients to signal that they are ready for the activation of the soft fork, and any changes that this soft fork induces will not interrupt anyone attempting to use the network to create txs.

The soft fork activation is largely contingent on miners signaling that they are ready to accept these changes. To accomplish this, there is basically meta data in every new mined bitcoin block that miners can alter to signal that they are ready for the upgrade. The threshold for this signaling is 95% of last 2000 blocks mined or so.

Miners thus far have overwhelming refused to signal that they are ready for this upgrade.

The upgrade is a soft fork that is ready today. It will immediately increase bitcoins ability to write more txs to its blockchain every new block by about 50%. It also includes technical changes that will allow for a new subnetwork of nodes where paritipants will be able to transact bitcoin without having to write the tx to the blockchain. That subnetwork has the potential to diametrically improve bitcoin's ability to scale instantly. It is open source, tested, and anyone can go in and run a subnetwork node.
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