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Old 09-12-2007, 09:06 PM   #76
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Are these blackbox systems you mention essentially like bots on poker sites? Why do you think bots would be outlawed, but trading bots are becoming the norm?

Probably a bit more complex in trading but the same idea. Personally I can't see a reason in the world for poker bots to be outlawed.

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Is alot of trading similar to arb'ing sports bets?

Very similar. A lot of what I do in arbitrage is the same basic premise as sports arbs but the scale in trading is way way way larger because the markets are so much bigger. Arb trades come and go. The really good ones never last because they get arbed out and there is no edge to it anymore after everyone catches on. But they keep inventing new contracts and etfs and new opportunities pop up all the time. Just gotta ride as long as you can and keep looking for the next one.
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Old 09-13-2007, 04:23 PM   #77
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Thanks for starting this thread.

MrB,

Would love to hear some funny/entertaining stories from your days on the floor.


To those asking about getting into trading, I think it's good to do a bit of initial research to see if it's something you really want to do. Also, try to get an idea of products you think you'd be interested in and what type of trading(though, early on it's hard to be picky). This may change over time but it's best to get started on a path you are really excited about.
In general, I'd advise against an MBA, although MBAs should still be competitive for plain vanilla desks. If you are considering any school post undergrad at all, good choices are math, physics, fineng, comp sci, stats, ee.

Regarding trading room setups, there is a thread on EliteTrader about this topic specifically. Perhaps the most impressive:

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hapa / others,

Obviously to a nontrader that setup looks ridiculous, but realistically, why isn't it standard? The cost of 24 or even 100 monitors to any profitable trader is chump change, no? And the luxury of not having to replace graphs on screens has not be at least somewhat useful it seems.
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:12 PM   #78
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Obviously to a nontrader that setup looks ridiculous, but realistically, why isn't it standard? The cost of 24 or even 100 monitors to any profitable trader is chump change, no? And the luxury of not having to replace graphs on screens has not be at least somewhat useful it seems.
Good question. While I do think the particular setup I've linked is very impressive visually, in terms of discretionary trader performance, the utility gained from number of monitors is, I suspect, highest between 2 and 8. You only want to use as many monitors as you are comfortable with. I believe for discretionary traders, it's actually possible to have TOO many monitors where you'll suffer from information overload and performance potential will be negatively affected.

The setup I've linked, as described by the poster, included 24 lcds, with voice activation for order entry, and 2 full time traders watching over the system. If I recall correctly, trade signals were automated; the system was trading equity options.
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:53 PM   #79
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the utility gained from number of monitors is, I suspect, highest between 2 and 8.
This sounds about right. I use 4 monitors on 2 computers (2 monitors each) and a laptop for other stuff. A lot of the stuff I do doesn't take constant supervision though as long as it can be seen when needed. On 2 monitors I have my charts and stock/option trading software and on the other two I have my commodities trading screens.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:51 PM   #80
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A lot of traders get by with just a laptop with some basic charting software and MS Excel.

It depends a lot upon your timeframe and trading style. I think a lot of guys with all the monitors perpetually flickering red and green with each tick become mesmerised.

It must be like sitting in front of a huge one-armed bandit all day.
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:13 AM   #81
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instead of starting another thread, I thought it'd be appropriate to post here: what are some of the best books to read about option strategy and general option trading?
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:35 AM   #82
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and, what is the appopriate attire for a professional trader.
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Old 09-15-2007, 08:30 AM   #83
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what are some of the best books to read about option strategy and general option trading?


Interestingly all of my options books are very old, very basic and probably not the best out there. Some of the options authors I have seen mentioned here time and time again are McMillian, Hull and Natenberg. Probably all will tell you what you need to know. My initial training was a series of videos by Shelly Natenberg and although I haven't read his book I am sure it's top notch.
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Old 09-15-2007, 08:32 AM   #84
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The boxers and t-shirt that you slept in that night.
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Old 09-15-2007, 08:39 AM   #85
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and, what is the appopriate attire for a professional trader.
When I was on the floor there were 4 rules. No jeans, a collared shirt, socks and a tie. Most guys dressed pretty sloppy as it was a physical environment. Comfy shoes, khaki type pants and a golf shirt. Golf shirt looks stupid with a tie but its comfortable.

In my office there are no dress codes. Shorts, tshirts and sandals are fine although I typically wear khakis and a golf shirt.
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Old 09-16-2007, 11:39 PM   #86
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Interestingly all of my options books are very old, very basic and probably not the best out there. Some of the options authors I have seen mentioned here time and time again are McMillian, Hull and Natenberg. Probably all will tell you what you need to know. My initial training was a series of videos by Shelly Natenberg and although I haven't read his book I am sure it's top notch.

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Old 09-18-2007, 05:34 PM   #87
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Re: Ask mrbaseball about trading for a living

I'm not knowledgeable of trading, this question will probably show, but

Why not trade your own bankroll, and exponentially grow? Why aren't you a billionaire?

I assume the problem is scalability? If so, how much do you think you could make before running into scalability problems?
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Old 09-18-2007, 08:58 PM   #88
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Why not trade your own bankroll, and exponentially grow?
Already asked and answered but basically a lot of the arbitrage and more sophisticated trades I do require the resources and relationships of a firm.

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Why aren't you a billionaire?

Why aren't you
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Old 09-18-2007, 11:52 PM   #89
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Re: Ask mrbaseball about trading for a living

Do you consider yourself a daytrader, swingtrader, long-term holder? By that, I mean, does your average trade (from purchase to sell) last for seconds, minutes, hours, days, etc...???
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:19 AM   #90
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Re: Ask mrbaseball about trading for a living

where's the best place for a newb to look for information on trading?
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