worked it out

You can do that but you need to be subtle. IF they see you are spamming you will be removed. Its easy to avoid if you are in any way intelligent though

What are your thoughts on this article?
"Over the past several months, Facebook has been reducing the organic reach of Pages. A recent study found that companies' posts dropped from reaching 12% of their followers in October to just 6% by February"
http://time.com/34025/the-free-marke...r-on-facebook/

What OP claims , can be right.
I have been into online marketing for almost a decade, and sold all my shares recently. I met alot of affiliate marketeers, or webmasters making tons of cash in various markets at the same time. Trough websites or FB pages with a combined total of 50 million likes for example.

Affiliate marketing got a bad reputation, and in terms of marketing, people like to refer more to online publishers than affiliates.
The biggest problem besides a saturated market, especially when it comes to Facebook pages, is the drive and philosophy behind Facebook. Targeting and retargeting quite different than the early days. Complex structures of pages and sponsored ads, make people lose interest in Facebook over the years, in many niches, altough it's still a slightly profitable channel. On top of that , rules and restrictions apply to do great FB marketing (referring to contest for example)

Are you afraid about being dropped out within a couple years? Consumers, internet users become a what so called more difficult target group when it comes to 1:1 advertising with links or ads.

Are you afraid of the RM? Because social media can make or break a company, page or sales. Conversion ratio can be teared down by a simple conversation of negativity or a group of haters bullying your product or promotion.

I believe after the deal with Whats App, FB loses more credbility and seeing stats from SEM conferences consumers are moving to different channels. Are you ready to back up your constant stream of sales trough alternatives?

Do you funnel your conversion until the TxFn?
Followed by: ----> Are you busy with geotargeting your sales and most conversion, in terms of gender, location / country and time of day? It improves your sales by alot.

I could talk about this all day but I'll just give an opinion.

Facebook needs to earn money however it can't earn huge amounts from its users so instead tries to earn it from business through Facebook pages. The problem is they can't earn enough money from it so now they are trying to do anything they can to make it more appealing to pay for advertising. The problem with this is the fundamental idea of Facebook was to be a site that connects people. By doing this it is turning in to a site that does not connect people any more. Facebook is fighting a losing battle IMO. I did my final year dissertation entitled "Is Facebook the next Bebo" and got an award for the thing (First class honours too LDO) so did a lot of research in to this. Ill try and dig out an online copy of my summary when I get a chance.

Facebook is essentially killing mine and every other persons page as "Reach" is slowly being diminished. It is very noticable when you have a page with 50,000 Likers and only 2,000 are seeing each post. It sure makes you feel robbed when you think that you paid to get those 50,000 in some cases and now you can not connect to them.

My thoughts on the article are that it is like every other article on this - mostly correct. Facebook is killing its business. People are waiting for the next big thing to arrive and when it does I feel it is time for everyone to jump ship (Again, I'll get some time to put my summary from my dissertation together for you) - I made a model called "5 stages of social networking demise" showing that Facebook is now at the stage that Bebo and Myspace got to right before another site came in to take its users.

Will address this tomorrow but can you clarify what "RM" means? Its not clicking with me!

Mine has dropped way more under 6%.

In June I was paying for my posts to be seen and went back to not paying this year and now I'm getting under 1% of a reach without paying.

Very cool thread op. Much appreciated

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Great post. I had always expected/hoped to see FB "fall" at one point but I believe your post makes the reason for it a bit more clear (to me at least).

Couple of years? Try a couple of days? I, and others who do similar things to me on Facebook have been waiting for the inevitable for at least a year now. That being the day we can no longer get sign ups on Facebook.
I could sit back and continue to earn 5 figures a month for the next 10 years + from my sign ups I already have but there is no guarantee the bookmakers wont just cut me off once I am no longer any use to them. They offer "income for life" but they also have Ts+Cs to say that they can terminate your account whenever they want for no reason what so ever.


I have tried my hardest to find out what RM is but can't get it. I am sure its something obvious "R...... MArketing" LDO....

In terms of group haters etc, that will never happen. 99% of my followers do not even realise they are signing up through a link which will give me income. The ones that do and object can be blocked from the page

It will be tough to do IMO, If a new social networking site comes along then action will have to be taken and I am Praying on a daily basis (Atheist FTW) that a new site comes along as I got into this years after other people had cottoned on to it. If I have a head start on a new social networking site I will 100% be the biggest. No doubt in my mind.

One of my favourite films, "Margin Call" has a line in it that there are 3 ways to get to the top

"Get there first"
"Be the best"
"Cheat"

That reminds me, I must put that film on now!

No idea what any of that means TBH. 98% of my followers are male between the age of 18-40 so my target market is already being hit with every post anyway

Hey OFA, I sent you a PM about a page I'm working on, if you see any potential in it and want to chop commission, let me know. Thanks for doing the AMA.

Have you tried to capture emails from your facebook list? Seems like this would be a good way to still get your message out when the reach on FB plummets even more.

No interest in offering private advice for commission splits for many reasons. Any questions you have please post them here

Set up a mailing list using MailChimp - When I went to send my first mail they blocked my account as they do not allow betting sites etc.

Maybe you could recommend a decent program for me to use?

I use mailchimp but I've heard good things about these two:
http://www.aweber.com/
http://www.campaignmonitor.com/

We wrote our own email service using Amazon SES who charge 10c/1,000 messages. Not suitable for everyone and we've had hiccups from our implementation, but MailChimp charges ~$150 p/m per list (for >2k subscribers). We have about 5 lists 2k-20k subscribers so save a lot of money every year doing this. We've tied it into Google Analytics now and have tracking gifs etc, now it's up and running was a good programming exercise, quite fun to write and a lot cheaper. Something to consider anyway if your spending on MailChimp et al starts growing.

Facebook's official policy on Gambling and Lottery:
https://www.facebook.com/help/247824495237141

I would like to know how you went about getting your pages accepted by facebook to allow real money gambling ads?

On the paid advertising side, I tried running a small budget campaign once but was rejected. From what I understand you must be willing to throw down a ton of cash (tens of thousands) if you want to do a paid gambling advertising campaign on fb.

Also, I've now been rejected by the bet365 affiliate program twice. Their reason being:
We are currently working closely with Facebook, discussing the roadmap for affiliate activity promoting gambling that utilises Facebook pages or other Facebook channels as a sole means to send traffic to an operator, such as bet365.

With that in mind, we are currently, in view of this relationship, unable to accept your application to become an affiliate.

How have you overcome these obstacles because you say your business is almost 100% fb page based?

Its hit and miss. Sometimes you can get accepted, sometimes you cant. No idea what you need to do to be accepted/declined though

Just emailed my account manager at Bet365 about this as its interesting. I know a lot of bookies are trying to get Facebook to endorse the pages but thats all I know!

In terms of overcoming the Facebook obstacle there isn't much I can do really. I have sort of answered this question in depth previously if you want to read back a bit

I've read all your posts twice.

https://www.facebook.com/page_guidelines.php

Section III, A states:
Third-party advertisements on Pages are prohibited, without our prior permission.

So, for example, the "women who love football" page you purchased. You contacted facebook and they gave you permission to advertise gambling links? How long did it take for them to respond and which contact link did you use because I see none for this issue?

IMO, you should be looking for tactics to move your audience off interacting with you soley on facebook. I would be trying to collect as many emails as possible along with pushing people to other forms of social media. Offer/create good incentives for them to take action. Some ideas: freeroll, giveaways, random drawings, ebooks/other content for audience to improve and make more money betting. Require an email address or other social media follow for people to get in.

You have an great audience that you've proven you can monetize. Now you just have to work hard to keep it or Facebook will slowly kill it.

Basically the only way of getting a plan B is to move people to another social networking site so I have two. The problem with that is the only other one with any real point is Twitter. Running a successful Twitter account requires 100s of tweets daily and I simply can not see myself putting in the time required for it. The market is absolutely saturated now anyway and every man and his dog is trying to do this,

I did not contact them. I simply requested an advert and they approve or decline it. Its very hit and miss but as I do not work for Facebook I can not tell you why ads get accepted or declined. Most of my pages are banned from advertising now anyway

Yeah, I just set up a Mailchimp account but got insta blocked as they apparently do not allow gambling sites to sign up with them! So now setting up an account with a new site.

The problem with adding incentives to get people to do things is that people do not trust these pages. Few people actually believe there is any sort of giveaway for doing things etc.

The idea of a freeroll is good however getting a website to host it is next to impossible. As Pokerstars and FTP do not allow FB pages to set up camp with them it would need to be ipoker and the majority of companies I deal with are awful at getting anything from their poker team

Other than the "promote page" (so I can accumulate likes), pages don't run the paid ads do they? Rather it's your personal account where you create an ad. At least this is what I'm seeing on my end.

What I'm wondering is if facebook has ever given you any fuss about just having a post on your page containing an affiliate link. Because, according to them, you need their permission to do this.

When you say your pages are banned from advertising, are they banned from posting with an affiliate link?

Have a few questions.

1. The "Awkward gym moments" page posted before. I doubt selling t-shirts is their only source of income. Do they get their share of € when FB ads are clicked through their page? Any thoughts on how much would you earn on average with a 800k likes page like this? I thought about setting up a similar gym/jokes page even though it's quite saturated, but will see how it goes.

2. Youtube. I see channels like "TheSoundYouNeed" and so on, posting house/chill music on their channel and on FB page as well (https://www.facebook.com/thisisthesoundyouneed) - how do you monetize this? Purely share of ad clicks?

As far as I am aware Facebook do not pay ANY page for ads. They do not need to when they control where they can put ads.
I can't really see any other posts from them that could earn them any money so until I do see that I will assume their website where they sell Tshirts is their only source of income.

Every click on Youtube will earn you some money if you put ads on it. Last I heard it was about $1 per 1000 views but that could have changed