Admin please lock this thread.

Don't really understand the hate from some people.

Its completely unfounded. Not 1 thing I have said has deserved any hate IMO. I have only been giving my opinions on things.

Good luck all. Ill come back when I have 13,000 posts as that will make me legit

yes. some accountants work out what you owe. some accountants work out how to minimize your bill. i went to my dads one and they were ****e so im finding another.

Op,
I don't believe there is much hate itt, though there is a healthy dose of skepticism. Being skeptical is perfectly normal and healthy. When someone you don't know makes bold claims do you just blindly accept them?

Look around at other threads in BFI and you will see considerable skepticism in every one of them. Usually instead of getting butthurt the skepticism is met with information and debate that everyone learns from.

People do things for self serving purposes - this is normal and healthy. When someone you don't know says "I make a buttload of money in 20 minutes per day, ask me how" it's wise to be skeptical. That doesn't mean you can't learn from that person or that they are always full of **** - but often times it does.

You're right. I have asked a mod to unlock this thread so it can continue. Received 10s of messages asking for it to be unlocked. Ill simply ignore the trolls from now on.

Fire away

This thread has been re-opened. If you wish to question the legitimacy of the OP you must add something additional to the discussion many people have found this discussion valuable so far.

Trolling willing be dealt with harshly, this is your only warning.

Will 100% do that for 2014 accounts. My naivety in this instance may have cost me a bit!

Awesome thread and help, thanks a lot OFA!

My question is, how do you start off with a fresh page and gain an audience quickly? First thing which crossed my mind is to buy thousands of fake likes just to give users the illusion of a popular page so they will follow and join/like. What are your tactics?

Personally, I've wanted to do this for a while. I wanted to create a soccer fanatic page. I was also thinking about doing world cup 2014 page. What would you suggest? A generic soccer page or would you create a killer sub niche page like world cup 2014 and try to earn as much as possible before it ends. Problem with going the WC page is the fact that's practically done after the WC but the generic soccer page will be tough to create a following for b/c it's not niche related and there's millions out there. What advice do you have here?

Thanks!

In the olden days (18 months+ ago before Facebook ****ed everything for the people who built pages with no budget) you would use "dirty" tactics and just post on other, similar pages and try to attract people that way. I was a big fan of getting a bookmaker to give me a few free bets to give-away and then telling people on other pages that they could win one of the free bets if they liked my pages. This would get you a few 100 likes in no time and then, again, due to the way Facebook worked you could gain a big audience just by getting your current Likers to contribute. Unfortunately Facebook now make it very hard to get your page to go viral without spending money so these 2 tactics do not really work any more.
You can still do those 2 tactics but it is very very very slow. If you want to be lazy, maybe spend 20 quid on Facebook ads just to get off the ground. Most ads will get you over the 100 mark for €20.

In terms of paying for False likes I really do not recommend it. Over time they will disappear as the accounts get closed. Facebook also give a maximum amount of reach to each page so you don't want some of that going to fake profiles! The fake profiles will also mess with your demographics meaning you can not ever really know what your audience is. I could talk for a while about why you should not pay for fake likes!

Good question. I once thought I could start a big page and spam for sign ups off it regardless of its name. I set up a page about hot women in football. Within a few months I got to 175,000 Likes and decided it was time to make money from it. I spent weeks advertising bookmakers and did not get a single sign up. I surmised that the reason for this was because people are used to seeing pages spam rubbish and that because my page was nothing to do with gambling I was wasting my time advertising on it (People do not mind adverts on a gambling page that are related to gambling IMO).
The page wasn't totally useless though as I Can post links to my gambling pages every now and then and gain a few likes that may be of use in future.

IMO (And unfortunate for anyone trying to do this now) I think the only way to get decent sign ups to gambling sites is to have a decent gambling page.

Thanks a lot for the response, much appreciated.

I do agree with your points and they all make sense. I just thought a page with 0 likes will never get anyone to sign up and like it. I thought of buying 5k likes and then gain legitimate ones from that stage forward. I'm not sure if FB will ban the page but I know many guys who purchase the fake likes and nothing happens.

As for my plan, I still don't know whether to go with a dedicated world cup page or target soccer generally. If targeted soccer, I think the page would need a twist to it. Just like this gym/fitness page I follow, it's hilarious and they have 800k likes...they didn't advertise a think until it reached half a mil, now they have contests, sell gym shirts, etc,..exactly what your doing, it's brilliant - https://www.facebook.com/AwkwardGymMomentsPage

What are your thoughts? I have many plans in mind, before reading this thread I wanted to do this to set up links to my web store where I sell world cup and soccer apparel. But, I can definitely affiliate with bet365 and advertise the world cup bets going on this summer on top of it all..love this idea and would love to pursue it, I'm just contemplating on whether to kill the subniche and scrap the page this summer or create something bigger which can run for years.

For all the reasons I just mentioned I wouldn't do this. Getting banned by Facebook is the least of your worries

I follow that page also. And what you just said is exactly what I Said earlier in the thread (And was shouted down by the so called "Professional AM") about not spamming a page until it is big enough to sustain itself.


There are many ways to skin a cat mate. You can try whatever way you want and it could be correct. I would maybe focus on 1 thing though. No point trying to spam gambling, shirts and other random thing just because you think they are some what related. You can maybe do that when you are more established

I'm no tax expert but if I were you I'd perhaps invest a bit of time reading up on this area... I don't know about affiliate marketing but I know a few people earning not too dissimilar amounts from contracting at banks in London. Most of these people do so via ltd companies and they'll generally pay themselves a fairly low salary then most of the cash is paid via dividends at a lower rate... at least one guy I know kept a load of cash within his company for some years then closed the company down and was able to extract the cash via some sort of entrepreneurs relief at a very low rate. I don't believe any of them are taxed at the rate a higher rate taxpayer would be via PAYE.

Also - out of interest, as I know nothing about affiliate marketing - how do you know that these websites you're referring people to aren't screwing you? I mean are you completely reliant on them being honest and self reporting successful referrals? Obviously there is some incentive there to not completely screw the people putting business their way - but to what extent can they be trusted?

Interesting stuff.

I've a question that I fail to see the answer. When you bring those likes from your other social pages to your main gambling page. What's that gambling page about since you're just, really, an affiliate?

and yes btw you should talk with an accountant on your tax issues. You could save a bunch lol.

I reallllllly need to speak to an expensive accountant by the sounds of it!

In terms of how I know I am not being screwed over... Well I dont I trust that I am not being screwed over by only dealing with very reputable companies. As long as I don't feel like I am being screwed over I guess I am ok. FWIW I Stopped dealing with Ladbrokes because I felt their was something shady going on.

I suppose I just talk about bets etc. Run rolling bet challenges etc etc.

I generally wake up and check out the fixtures for the day. Do a bit of research to find a good value bet and talk about why it is good value. Add an affiliate link and post it up!

Thanks for re-opening it. This is a great thread. Trolls gonna troll. Just ignore them.

Cheers

Yep enjoying thread.

Op - do you try and begin with decent content and maintain quality?

In the past that is all you needed. There were not many of these pages about and Facebook let everyone see your posts for free making it easy to get things to go Viral.

These days it is much more complicated. Yes you need to have decent content and quality but it is much more important to post things that will not only be read but will be Liked/Commented/Shared.

Before I made posts I always ask myself: Will this create activity on my page?

If the answer is no then I don't post it.

OP - Any interest in branching out or just stick with what you do? Reason I ask is because with my stuff I've stuck with SEO and PPC as they work pretty well for my model, but I feel like I should be experimenting with other marketing. It's just a bit overwhelming picking a new direction with so many options out there.

OP thx for doing this...

of your total revenue how much is low margin pass-thru? i.e. i read of popular blogs making $60k but paying direct marketing fees of $50k as a very generic example

thx again

I guess its hard for me to branch out. I have never been an AM before this and have very few skills that could be useful in the AM world except for being good at Facebook haha!

In terms of moving outside of gambling I do not see a huge point. I can get sign ups for a sports betting company and sit back and earn money from them for life whereas a lot of other AM programs I would need to get constant sales to remain profitable.

In truth I have not really looked at other potential directions I could go in to. If you have any suggestions I will explore them!

I understand the question but do not have a good answer. I spend almost nothing on advertising and everything I use is free.
The way I see it is: People see my ads because they go on Facebook. They do not go on Facebook to see my ads. As long as people are hooked on Facebook I will always have a route to speak to them

i spoke to OFA and despite his assurances facebook is saturated ive started a page with +ev tips. will see where it goes and post

Good luck!

pretty sure some good posters on the best sports betting forum could do something this way........ including a few on this site's betting forum.

is it very straight-forward to contract with the chosen sportsbooks to do this?

i think someone else asked and i may have missed answer............ how confident are you that sportsbooks give you the correct payout?

and i assume you aren't responsible for losses. not liking being an agent for a sports book and big customers.

this relates more to sports betting sites in general... is there a breakdown anywhere as to what % of online betting is each sport? i assume NFL/NBA/NCAAF/NCAAB was much much higher a few years ago.... as an aside, i have been shocked at at anecdotal evidence about how much is bet on very obscure tennis matches, like development circuit matches.

thanks again!!

how do you get the first few people to click on it? i guess friends/family for awhile