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02-25-2014 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jackpot7
Do you just find/steal a picture online and post it on your page or do you own the rights to all of the content you post?
Interesting area for discussion and one which I am not 100% sure about. ALL of the pages seem to steal from each other. If one page posts something that generates likes/shares then the rest soon post it up too. Every now and then a video will be removed by Facebook on copyright infringements but never had a picture removed.

I have seen Paddy Power steal my pictures before and post them up so I am not too sure what the laws are for that. I do know that Facebook own all of the pages so it could be argued that if someone posts a picture on Facebook it is fair game for all. That differs from videos which can be stolen from Youtube for instance....

To answer your question. Most of the pictures are taken from somewhere else
02-25-2014 , 01:49 AM
How do you convert Facebook page likes to google ad money income? You seemed to imply that was your plan with the lad page. But you can't place ads for revenue on a fb page, so you'd have to convert them to a website audience, no?

I don't know why slow habit is being/feels entitled to be so attacking about what has value. Seriously, chill out man.
02-25-2014 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by citanul
How do you convert Facebook page likes to google ad money income? You seemed to imply that was your plan with the lad page. But you can't place ads for revenue on a fb page, so you'd have to convert them to a website audience, no?

I don't know why slow habit is being/feels entitled to be so attacking about what has value. Seriously, chill out man.
Apologies. I think I may have poorly explained my plans for that page.

I worked on a mini project with someone who owns one of the bigger "Lad" style pages with 1 million + Likes. He informed me that he is now making 50k€ a month from his websites that he had set up on the back of his pages.

My plan was to mimic that and pay someone to set up a site for the page once it hits a certain amount of likes.
02-25-2014 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by OFA
As I said, 95% of my sign ups come from Social Media and almost all of them from Facebook. I have a few Facebook pages and not all of them are sports related. IE https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lad/172484109626020 is one I am currently working on. I am going to try and get it to 250k+ Likes before I start making money from google Ads. This will take the guts of 6 months but it is just a matter of time really. Rome was not built in a day and you certainly can not make money off a Facebook page that is too small.

Please understand that you can make money from any page.
How are you going to take your facebook page likes to make money from Google Ads? What is the model? link back to your website with adsense + content?
02-25-2014 , 02:17 AM
you've inspired me since im a profitable sports bettor and you make more than me, guess i should start a tips page
02-25-2014 , 02:17 AM
Can you elaborate where your material comes from to make posts on these various Facebook pages (lad for example)? I assume you have an efficient way of sourcing material so that it doesn't take up 16 hours a day of work anymore.
02-25-2014 , 02:21 AM
also re: social stuff i have the same problems but would say do as many activities as possible: my week looks like gym x3, sunday cycling club, midweek cinema/driving range, lunch with mates, getting out to place bets on good weather days, weekend drinks, reading/documentaries etc

beats working in a ****ty office any day. if you want something structured work for a charity/something interesting and fulfilling
02-25-2014 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by citanul
How do you convert Facebook page likes to google ad money income? You seemed to imply that was your plan with the lad page. But you can't place ads for revenue on a fb page, so you'd have to convert them to a website audience, no?

I don't know why slow habit is being/feels entitled to be so attacking about what has value. Seriously, chill out man.
Well does read like a build up to a pitch, e.g. started at X gave up job two months later, make 6 figures with no expenses. Now he cant give any detail on how he makes money from the LAD page merely that his friend does.

Its web affiliate marketing, the world of bull****, I am not saying he is, but the moment someone says I make X with no real web skills and no expenses in just 20 mins a day, the alarm has to go off, because this is exactly how the infinite number of stay at home mother makes $903493784 in her spare time scams are pitched.

Hard scepticism is the only rational approach to his posts.
02-25-2014 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Well does read like a build up to a pitch, e.g. started at X gave up job two months later, make 6 figures with no expenses. Now he cant give any detail on how he makes money from the LAD page merely that his friend does.

Its web affiliate marketing, the world of bull****, I am not saying he is, but the moment someone says I make X with no real web skills and no expenses in just 20 mins a day, the alarm has to go off, because this is exactly how the infinite number of stay at home mother makes $903493784 in her spare time scams are pitched.

Hard scepticism is the only rational approach to his posts.
Your post reads like it is written from someone who has no idea what they are talking about. As previously said, I have not made any money from the Lad page, Yet. And it will be quite simple to make money from it. Set up a website and drive traffic to the website from the page.

Here is a screen shot of my bet365 affiliate account taken just now.

[X] In before photoshop

Also, I have not asked for anything from anyone. I have had several messages on this site since yesterday offering me money for advice. I have replied declining as I only want to work on commission where I earn what I deserve to earn in any future business ideas.
02-25-2014 , 09:01 AM
You have been asked directly how you will make money from the lad page, so far nothing beyond its simple and my friend did it.

Look, relax, if you are genuine it will come out, but its completely fair to point out that your narrative so far is 100% inline with the narrative offered by my gran made 1 Mil from google with no skills and no expenses in her spare time affiliate marketing scams that the interwebs is infested with. Also all these scams show an image of payment history like yours so well done at keeping it at 100%.

Whilst you have not made any direct play itt, it seemed like you might be positioning for one. Its the internet, Im sceptical, my observations about your narrative are totally fair. If you are genuine then you have nothing to worry about.
02-25-2014 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by maxinnrelaxin
How are you going to take your facebook page likes to make money from Google Ads? What is the model? link back to your website with adsense + content?
Exactly what you just said. At the moment I do not do this a lot but a simple link to the website in the form of a post is all that is required.

As previously mentioned. I relied on a friend to do my main website and he has basically abandoned it so am just trying to pluck up the courage to tell him I am taking it off him so I can get a company to do it for me
02-25-2014 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
You have been asked directly how you will make money from the lad page, so far nothing beyond its simple and my friend did it.
That is actually not true. I very clearly said I will grow it to 250k Likes + and then make money from Google ads in the same way as someone (Who is not my friend) currently does.
02-25-2014 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rwillia789
you've inspired me since im a profitable sports bettor and you make more than me, guess i should start a tips page
Good Luck! Remember, you must build the page before you can start making money from it. IMO that is the #1 Pit fall that 1000s of people are falling into every day

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Originally Posted by Slappz
Can you elaborate where your material comes from to make posts on these various Facebook pages (lad for example)? I assume you have an efficient way of sourcing material so that it doesn't take up 16 hours a day of work anymore.
There are many websites I take them from. I am only posting 3 or 4 times a day so it doesn't take too long. There are a tonne of pages constantly taking pictures and videos from each other so the same pics/vids seem to just go around the different pages. I am only focusing on building the page. I do not care that a lot of the content is not original

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Originally Posted by rwillia789
also re: social stuff i have the same problems but would say do as many activities as possible: my week looks like gym x3, sunday cycling club, midweek cinema/driving range, lunch with mates, getting out to place bets on good weather days, weekend drinks, reading/documentaries etc

beats working in a ****ty office any day. if you want something structured work for a charity/something interesting and fulfilling
I like this idea and think I'll have to do something similar. I have been pretty much killing time every day waiting for the next holiday! Off to England next week and will be going back to Vegas in 3 months. I am sure i'll fit in another trip in between.

Hopefully this thread can give me back some of the motivation I seem to have lost!
02-25-2014 , 09:55 AM
OFA - is this something someone could do successfully part-time? I currently work full-time, but am looking for something to do after work.
02-25-2014 , 10:01 AM
Cool thread, will be following
02-25-2014 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bookit86
OFA - is this something someone could do successfully part-time? I currently work full-time, but am looking for something to do after work.
Yes sir!

I was 23 when I set up my first Facebook page. About to start my final year of college. I also worked part time in a phone shop to pay my way through college (I do not have any family to rely on unfortunately) so I was juggling the job and college. I only quit my job once I started earning more from the page! I enjoyed the job but wanted to concentrate on my final year exams which I thought was a +EV decision!

I just spent several hours each night on the pages and looked at it as a bit of fun originally. I enjoyed a sports bet so even if I made no money I knew it would be a good laugh anyway!

As I said previously, the #1 pitfall IMO is that people try to make money before they have built a big enough audience so concentrate on building a big audience first!

Good luck
02-25-2014 , 10:22 AM
Great read, very interesting.

I only recently noticed all the Betting pages on FB, but it seems there are quite a few with a lot of followers - and they're all posting affiliate links etc, so there certainly is a lot of money being made!
02-25-2014 , 11:36 AM
I do AM via FB pages and manage some clients' pages as well. OP's posts make me roll my eyes. It seem like a warmup to one of those $300 webinar pitches.

The Lad page is likely virtually worthless, given its demographic.

There is so much nonsense, or at the best, banality, in the posts that I wouldn't know where to start dissecting his posts.

Look at this line from him:

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As I said previously, the #1 pitfall IMO is that people try to make money before they have built a big enough audience so concentrate on building a big audience first!
That's nonsense. Even if it is a pitfall, which it is definitely not - I would qualify fans right away with offers so I could find right away if the page is worth building - anyways, even if it is a pitfall, it's nowhere near #1. And what's a "big audience?" I had a page that I started monetizing at 3k fans and was making decent-ish money even at that point.

If someone works day in, day out making money via FB pages, as OP claims, they're going to talk a lot more technical (reach, the recent algo change's effects on AM, ad spend, CTRs and conversion via aff links in posts, using ads to send people to external sites versus building a page to send people to sites, and so on). I mean, I started to write a post for this thread, and it was littered with numbers without any deliberate intent on my part to make the post about numbers. If you do AM via pages, and have a good amount of experience in it, then the numbers will naturally appear in the posts.

I visit IM/AM forums each day, where there are invariably people trying to sell noobs on some IM product. Plus I'm bombarded with ads from people selling the dream of "work at home for 30 minutes a day and make $50k a month." The OP's posts reek of that. I have nothing against him personally. But I will say Buyer Beware, especially since no one in the increasingly saturated IM/AM field on FB would want more competition.
02-25-2014 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by OFA

One thing I would never do is "S4S" or "Share for share" as you are first of all giving your likes away and also spamming your own page which will get people to unlike it!
I mean, dude, wtf are you talking about? Not that I advocate share for share, but even if a page does it, they are not giving their likes away. Their likes don't go away.

As for the unlikes from spam, show some evidence. Unlikes are so low it's ridiculous to worry about them unless you are doing some serious out of this world spam, which S4S wouldn't be anyway. Hell, a lot of people don't even know how to unlike a page.
02-25-2014 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by citanul
How do you convert Facebook page likes to google ad money income? You seemed to imply that was your plan with the lad page. But you can't place ads for revenue on a fb page, so you'd have to convert them to a website audience, no?

I don't know why slow habit is being/feels entitled to be so attacking about what has value. Seriously, chill out man.
sl.ow habit feels threatened when he sees someone else about to encroach on his territory of resident self-promoter
02-25-2014 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
I do AM via FB pages and manage some clients' pages as well. OP's posts make me roll my eyes. It seem like a warmup to one of those $300 webinar pitches.

Bit hard to have a conversation with you when you have not been specific about what types of pages you run and which area you are AM

The Lad page is likely virtually worthless, given its demographic.

Let me give you an example of how this page is already making me money. The Lad page is 98% Male and of those males, 97% are over 18 and able to gamble in the UK/Ireland if they wish which makes them in some way relevant to my sports betting pages. My main sports betting page is 97% Male and 100% Over 18s (I do not let under age people see the page [Easily done in Facebook settings])
Whilst I do not agree with sharing your page for others I do think its a good idea to build new pages by advertising on your current pages and a few weeks ago I placed a link on the Lad page to one of my sports betting pages and got 1200 new Likes over the course of a week of daily ads for my sports betting page.
This is where it gets interesting. The page I shared had just over 40,000 Likes and in 2013 earned me €103,471.11 (I keep track of which pages are getting the most click etc). Basic math will tell you that each Like was therefore worth €2.59 on average per year (This has increased this year but for the sake of this example we can assume I am earning the same this year).
Based on that example the 1200 likes I got from my lad page to like my sports page are worth €3,108 a year. Not bad considering the Lad page cost me nothing and is much easier to grow than a sports betting page which is in a market that is flooded


There is so much nonsense, or at the best, banality, in the posts that I wouldn't know where to start dissecting his posts.

Look at this line from him:


That's nonsense. Even if it is a pitfall, which it is definitely not - I would qualify fans right away with offers so I could find right away if the page is worth building - anyways, even if it is a pitfall, it's nowhere near #1. And what's a "big audience?" I had a page that I started monetizing at 3k fans and was making decent-ish money even at that point.

Well, its hardly nonsense. It is my opinion so who are you to tell me I am wrong? This is not a science. There are many different ways to make money in any business.
I would consider a big audience to be whatever number you need to get people involved in commenting on the page and also get a steady amount of sign ups. The trick is juggling new sign ups with the ability to get page growth. I see a lot of pages get to 100 Likes, and spend their whole time spamming links to affiliates. It is no surprise to me when 2 months later they have the same amount of page likes.


If someone works day in, day out making money via FB pages, as OP claims, they're going to talk a lot more technical (reach, the recent algo change's effects on AM, ad spend, CTRs and conversion via aff links in posts, using ads to send people to external sites versus building a page to send people to sites, and so on). I mean, I started to write a post for this thread, and it was littered with numbers without any deliberate intent on my part to make the post about numbers. If you do AM via pages, and have a good amount of experience in it, then the numbers will naturally appear in the posts.

To me, this is proof that not everyone should be allowed an opinion. This is an "Ask me" thread. If someone wants specific numbers about something they can ask. Having read your post I see you are not actually asking anything here so not sure what you want me to say to this?

I visit IM/AM forums each day, where there are invariably people trying to sell noobs on some IM product. Plus I'm bombarded with ads from people selling the dream of "work at home for 30 minutes a day and make $50k a month." The OP's posts reek of that. I have nothing against him personally. But I will say Buyer Beware, especially since no one in the increasingly saturated IM/AM field on FB would want more competition.

You must feel really undervalued in life..... I have no intention of selling anything to anyone on here. I have not replied to most of the pms I have received begging for my help in exchange for money


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Originally Posted by DeroDeniro
I mean, dude, wtf are you talking about? Not that I advocate share for share, but even if a page does it, they are not giving their likes away. Their likes don't go away.

As for the unlikes from spam, show some evidence. Unlikes are so low it's ridiculous to worry about them unless you are doing some serious out of this world spam, which S4S wouldn't be anyway. Hell, a lot of people don't even know how to unlike a page.

IF I have 1000 likes on my page which I can try and get sign ups from and I introduce them to a different page then there is now a good chance they will click on someone elses link dont you think?
02-25-2014 , 02:43 PM
What are your conversion rates (clicks to depositor rate)?
02-25-2014 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by InfectorGadget
What are your conversion rates (clicks to depositor rate)?
Not all of the affiliates I use give me this info but based on the info I do have for one of the companies:

In just over 1 year: 112,765 Clicks. 3,147 Sign ups, 2,240 Depositers

So a conversion rate of 1 in 35 for sign ups and 1 in 50 for a depositors

Although I think those stats are some what skewed as I noticed that on a week I was on holiday, not posting links I was still registering 50-100 clicks a day from one of the pages which leads me to believe that some people have book marked the link for daily use. I would assume the conversion rate is a lot higher IRL
02-25-2014 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by OFA
Not all of the affiliates I use give me this info but based on the info I do have for one of the companies:

In just over 1 year: 112,765 Clicks. 3,147 Sign ups, 2,240 Depositers

So a conversion rate of 1 in 35 for sign ups and 1 in 50 for a depositors

Although I think those stats are some what skewed as I noticed that on a week I was on holiday, not posting links I was still registering 50-100 clicks a day from one of the pages which leads me to believe that some people have book marked the link for daily use. I would assume the conversion rate is a lot higher IRL
Even higher? The last year I have had about 30,000 clicks and had only 136 depositors, which is a little on the high side (I target a niche that has bad conversion rates), but 150 click/RMD seems to be common among other peers I have talked to, but this is from "regular" betting websites. Maybe I need to do more social work.
02-25-2014 , 04:17 PM
Thanks for creating this thread and sharing your experience.


Do you have any tips or guides for newbies?

      
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