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The dual lens is... underwhelming. It's not a true telephoto lens and digital zoom is a joke (cropping in Photoshop gives you same result). I really thought they were going to take two pictures and stitch them together for better image quality. Instead it's just a lens dedicated to a optical zoom. The lens isn't even good. It has narrow field of view and ****ty light exposure.

Two regular lenses with software zoom would yield better results for vast majority of pictures.

Can you expound on this for a photo fish?

Like I'm not even sure what to ask you. But surely there are image quality bonuses that are had with apples dual camera vs single besides adding depth and field of view.... Right??

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09-10-2016 , 03:47 AM

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That's what I was expecting. But literally, none. Second lens is not even engaged unless you zoom in. That second lens, even for amateurs, will have noticeably narrower field of view... and captures half of the light of the regular lens. That lens, aperture wise at least, is actually worse than the lens from 4s from 5 years ago. It's a big enough gap that even the most casual consumers will notice the first time they try to zoom in at night.

Whether they will care is a different question. But I am terribly annoyed at this stupid design decision that doesn't do anything other than help justify 7 plus' higher price tag.

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09-10-2016 , 04:11 AM

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I did a little cursory research just for my own knowledge.

Correct me if I'm wrong:

The 2nd lens provides 2x optical zoom. So there will be 0 IQ decrease when you zoom in 2x. It will also provide the ability to provider depth of view via software blurring behind an object.

Other than that, it does nothing

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09-10-2016 , 04:19 PM

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The second lens lets in less light and image stabilization resulting in worse image quality.

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09-10-2016 , 05:55 PM

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I am impressed by your knowledge which clearly is superior to those 800 engineers working at Apple on that camera.

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09-10-2016 , 11:19 PM

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This is so wrong it's not even funny.

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09-11-2016 , 12:08 AM

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I'd be very surprised if the second lens does more seeing how Apple explicitly said it was created for optical zoom and enabling Bokeh.

That Bokeh will not be ready at iPhone 7 Plus launch is telling. There is a pretty decent probability Apple intended to do more with the dual lenses but just couldn't make it happen in time for the iPhone 7 Plus.

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09-12-2016 , 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by grizy

The second lens lets in less light and image stabilization resulting in worse image quality.

Image quality seems decent:
http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/...-plus.1994606/

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10-24-2016 , 01:54 PM

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I never said it's bad. I said it's underwhelming and implied it's a reactionary product (other flagships have it... we need it too) where Apple couldn't figure out (most likely due to development time) how to better utilize a second lens.

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10-30-2016 , 01:01 AM

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I'm not sure if this is enough to move the needle on the stock price but there are many people irritated at the new MacBook Pro version. As I understand it, its the first refresh since 2012 and the hardware - specifically the ram - is using a slower version and capping out at 16gb.

Also, they are changing all of the I/O ports so you literally cannot even plug in the iPhone 7 into the new MBP without an adapter.

Seems like a good way to piss off their most loyal and deep pocketed customers.

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10-30-2016 , 10:15 PM

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They always make computers that are ahead of their time. In 2016, only having USB 3.1 ports for I/O seems crazy but it won't be in 2018, 19, 20. And everyone else will copy them eventually. If you don't want to deal with the hassle, don't buy it yet.

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10-31-2016 , 11:29 AM

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I own the retina Macbook without ports and the iPhone7 without 3.5mm. I really don't miss those at all. Images from my camera I use wifi, listen to music with headphones I use bluetooth, transfer files to friend I use Facebook, airdrop etc. For me the tradeoffs are perfect, for some other people they will have to do minor changes to their usage of electronics and for some other they will just have to buy a different product. I find it sad that so many people get upset when other people with other preferences find products tailored for them

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12-16-2016 , 06:46 PM

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The new MacBooks are good consumer MacBooks, not "Pro" MacBooks.

Short term, Apple will get a lot of sales and milk its reality distortion field. Long term, they are going to lose a lot of influencers (pro designers, art schools and so on).

These pro-consumers tend to be very loyal and willing to give up some convenience to stay within Apple ecosystem but the new MacBook Pros are asking for a lot and really touches on some really sore spots such as RAM capacity and SD slot.

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12-17-2016 , 05:00 PM

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Well put.

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01-28-2017 , 10:22 AM

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Not sure how many of you have seen this yet, but I'm entertained.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetb...last_stand_my/

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01-28-2017 , 11:02 AM

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Not sure how many of you have seen this yet, but I'm entertained.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetb...last_stand_my/

fooscamoo is my hero

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01-28-2017 , 12:34 PM

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Even if iPhone 7 misses his trade wouldn't work out...

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01-28-2017 , 01:29 PM

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Even if iPhone 7 misses his trade wouldn't work out...

why not?

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01-28-2017 , 02:25 PM

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I think he's quite +EV here...ironically. That's a well constructed "at least $100K or bankrupt" trade.

He's got about a 30% chance of getting a decent chunk of wealth back imo. Mostly because the market is where it is, there is meaningful chatter the iPhone numbers aren't that solid, and it'll go down handily if anything happens in the world.

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01-28-2017 , 02:49 PM

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I'm pretty pumped to see how it goes!

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01-28-2017 , 03:35 PM

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why not?

I should clarify the hypothesis I am referring to is the hypothesis iPhone sale

Wall Street already expects iPhobe sales to disappoint and stock already dropped in Oct/Nov when AAPL reportedly revised projections and cut back on orders.

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01-28-2017 , 03:40 PM

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I'm pretty pumped to see how it goes!

The epic butthurt if this moves against him it will be epic. Imagine...you think you're getting your stupidly lost wealth back...BAM bankrupt because idiots bought iPhones.

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01-28-2017 , 03:45 PM

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With Samsung phones going up in flames, Apple ecosystem lock-in, and lack of well reviewed high end Android alternatives (except the Pixel), I think perfectly rational people would buy a lot of iPhones.

IT departments for example rather deal with iPhones than a billion androids.

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01-28-2017 , 03:46 PM

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Not sure how many of you have seen this yet, but I'm entertained.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetb...last_stand_my/

Fun read, love degen stories. Hope it pays off for him, although even if it does I'm sure he will go broke eventually unfortunately.

Just one more big score and I'll quit forever!

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01-28-2017 , 03:49 PM

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Apple actually has a very serious problem of its own potentially brewing. It just hit my phone - it died at 23% just as was taking a picture. Tried to restart it, and it died again on any battery-intensive task.

http://fortune.com/2017/01/25/apple-...attery-recall/

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As many iPhone 6 owners have discovered, something is wrong with the battery. A bug or a defect causes the phone to crash dramatically: the power might plunge from 50% or 30% to 1% percent and other times the iPhone just shuts down altogether.

When I wrote about the issue in December, Apple pointed to a battery replacement program that covers a "small number" of iPhone 6s devices manufactured in late 2015. Apple also acknowledged a "small number" of other iPhones may likewise be affected.

After the story came out, I heard from dozens of readers who said they too are experiencing serious battery issues. Many also complained how Apple (aapl, 0.00%) is giving them the runaround. This prompted me to take a deeper look and come to a conclusion: the iPhone battery issue is endemic, and there's a strong legal and public relations case for Apple to expand its recall program.

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First, though the battery problem seems to have arrived with the iOS 10.1.1 or 10.2 software update, the issue is primarily tied to hardware. According to reports in online Apple forums, the update appears to have instructed iPhones to protect the battery by shutting down during times of stress, such as when multiple apps are running. The reports suggest Apple introduced this process as a circuit breaker to prevent the sort of overheating or fires that affected millions of Samsung phones.

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