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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Thanks for the response aggo.
The first two I believe are covered simply by the oil collapse, and the massive jump in the value of USD, and as such are not going to lead us down further. If cheap energy is crushing energy stocks, that's not bad for other stocks. They're not structural by themselves. In fact, they're probably bullish given that both can improve.
The third one is concerning. What's causing it in your opinion?
I was wondering if you thought there wasn't something going on behind the scenes, like the large amount of now near toxic oil debt, or a true crash in China (not just a percent or two off 7% growth), that was going to sink us?
My feeling is that the world is sat on top of the credit cycle at 2014. By then, the Fed made it clear that there was no QE4, or rolling QE3, and central banks around the world began tightening. This tightening greatly influenced the emerging markets who are extremely dependent on the USD and Fed rates to determine their own policies. Now, in 2015, that the real tightening has begun (+0.25% rates) I am sure that we will actually experience the effects of the tightening that started once QE3 officially ended.
It's simply not as cheap anymore to borrow money.
Retrospectively, when the Fed stopped open ended QE3 and Europe launched QE in 2015, the writing shouldve been on the wall for everyone to see that something was very wrong moving ahead in terms of 2016 YoY growth.
As for oil, I think its a mistake to dismiss the earnings and revenue data, particularly when you consider the global scale of oil production and consumption. Part of what determines oil price is demand, and most people cite that there is about a 1 to 1.5 mbpd excess on the market daily. That's about a +1.5% of excess production daily. I think that demonstrates a lot about actual global demand for oil, especially when you consider recent global production levels of oil (e.g. past 5 years).
One reason why I didnt post anything specific about China is because there's no reliable data out there. Probably on Caixin seems trustable right now for me because they reported awful PMI data for China recently.
Last edited by aggo; 01-13-2016 at 04:41 PM.