Wynn Las Vegas Introducing 6max Cash Games - Page 4 - Poker News

atthebottom77 · 08-05-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bravos1

lol @ the crowd this will bring... the games will be pretty crappy for the most part. Most of the players in my live games start to whine once we get to 7 handed for more than 5 minutes.

so much this

kingc11 · 08-05-2012, 05:24 PM

Love the wynn, and love this idea. The people that complain when it gets 7 handed are usually tight/bad regs or confused fish. It does seem tough to get this rolling, but I hope it flys.

StarberryBSD · 08-05-2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kingc11

Love the wynn, and love this idea. The people that complain when it gets 7 handed are usually tight/bad regs or confused fish. It does seem tough to get this rolling, but I hope it flys.

And those people are very profitable to play against...

So now you have set-up a table w/o the bad regs and rish...how is that better for you?

I want a game that ATTRACTS the bad players, not one that pushes them away???

**Dynasty** · 08-05-2012, 08:00 PM

When the Mirage tried this, they were still a top room in Las Vegas. They built special smaller tables which only had room for six players to sit confortably.

The games (for any game at any stakes) never developed and the Mirage removed the tables within a month.

SNGplayer24 · 08-05-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kingc11

Love the wynn, and love this idea. The people that complain when it gets 7 handed are usually tight/bad regs or confused fish. It does seem tough to get this rolling, but I hope it flys.

the goal of poker is sort of to win money right?

dfbuzzbeater · 08-05-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by StarberryBSD

And those people are very profitable to play against...

So now you have set-up a table w/o the bad regs and rish...how is that better for you?

I want a game that ATTRACTS the bad players, not one that pushes them away???

+1, was gonna say the same thing.

chuckiegolf · 08-05-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by *TT*

When we first created the Aria PLO games we talked about making it 6 max but it wasn't feasible, there would not be enough tables to make it work. PLO tends to play best as a short handed game.

The reason there is no straddle allowed in the 1/3 game is simple. A 1/3 PLO game with a straddle is bigger than a 2/5 PLO game, and also bigger than a 1/3 NL game with a straddle. The mission of the 1/3 PLO game's structure was to:

1) Make sure that 1/3 PLO virtually runs all the time, the goal was to have a PLO game that ran 18 to 20 hours a day. Notice that it is the ONLY PLO game in La s Vegas that is almost guaranteed to run during peak hours, Aria has all the action in Vegas primarily because of this structure.

2) The 1/3 PLO game is supposed to compliment the 1/3 NL games at Aria, it is an introductory game. If you want to straddle in the game then you can play 2/5 PLO which they also spread at Aria.

3) The 1/3 PLO game is rounded up to $5 increments postflop, an open-pot is $12, that is 1/41th of the $500 cap. With a straddle active, an open-pot size raise is $30, that is 1/15th of a the $500 cap; with just one caller the post is now $66 which rounds up to $70 due to the $5 chip rule... that is 1/7th of the cap! With a straddle in place, the game would play way too shallow and break players to fast, which means it would be harder to keep the game running. Note: The cap is needed to keep this an introductory game as mandated in #1 above.

For what its worth, most new players in that game question the lack of a straddle, until they play in this structure for a while, then they are generally convinced that Aira has the best live low stakes PLO structure available.

As a rec player who comes to Vegas 2 -3 times a year without a huge roll, I really like this 1/3 PLO game. I can play for hours, sometimes win, sometimes lose, but don't feel my whole vacation roll is on the line every hand. Keep it up!

watevs · 08-05-2012, 09:23 PM

aria is just the boss hogg poker room

really love everything about it

A+

Wilbury Twist · 08-05-2012, 10:15 PM

Upon starting this thread, I would have thought this...

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Originally Posted by PonyTailGeorge

I don't understand the comments about "fish" not liking this game.
True "fish" usually play too many hands in 9/10 handed games. In theory, in a shorter game they will still play a ton of hands. BUT.... they will win more hands. "Fish" like the feeling of winning hands. They will lose money faster in the shorter game, but they win more hands. It is the same for "fish" at blackjack or other table games. They feel like they are winning, but they are obviously not.

...but now I agree with this:

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Originally Posted by Clayton

...a majority of recreational players are regularly intimidated from increased action. Shorthanded games drives up the hands played and makes people more nervous. Increases the "I'm getting hunted by sharks" mindset. etc etc

Last time I played live at a newly formed table, I asked if we could just start playing when we got to five, then let people join in as we go. I don't think I could have gotten shouted down worse than if I nominated Ray Bitar for the poker HOF at a 2+2 party. In their defense, I live in California, where the rake structure for the low-stakes games is beyond awful. So instead, we waited around for a solid hour before the table filled.

You'd think the increased action would make six-max more appealing but it just doesn't... in most situations, it seems to petrify everyone except for the most experienced players (which I admit I'm not).

mikedeck22 · 08-05-2012, 10:18 PM

borgata also tried this and it failed

ico2525 · 08-05-2012, 10:22 PM

El Nino 1 ITT

I enjoy the Pinot Noir they serve. I would consider playing 6max for frequent glasses of this delicious, elegant wine.

madlondoner · 08-06-2012, 12:27 AM

Often in live poker 6 max is entirely unnecessary as once you take into account the two mega nits at the table slowly losing 3/4/7 dollars an orbit then you are essentially playing 6 max anyway. Then you take away the guy who has gone for food.

This won't succeed for the reasons mentioned about game instability and game difficulty but also because recreational players like to play fun games where they can play lots of hands, have a few drinks and joke around. Poker is competing with blackjack and roulette for enjoyment.

6max is typically enjoyed by young online players who like to 3/4 bet and get into levelling wars. These players typically do no talk at the table and sit there looking stoic plugged into their beats headphones. When a rec player (more likely to be older) is offered a seat in this game, he will probably decline instantly as he wants a social game where people are having fun. People don't like to play people all younger than them too, especially if they are likely to do their money. It is just too humiliating.

If the rec player sits down and plays he will get bored fast and lose his money fast. He will not be able to mess around as much playing stupid hands without it financially ruining him rly fast. After not very long of sitting at a silent table be will pick up the money he has left and go and lose it at roulette or blackjack.

madlondoner · 08-06-2012, 12:42 AM

Also I think it is often correct to pass high variance spots vs good usually young players where online you would get it in/not fold as there will be enough dead money at the table basically giving away money at an insane rate.

You wouldn't be able to pass in these spots in a 6max game yet the game would be so unstable and liable to break that you could easily find yourself stuck loads really fast and unable to get out of it. I have had it before where I've lost money in a short handed game which then is merged into another, where you are now stuck a bundle on a ten handed table.

Pro Playa · 08-06-2012, 03:19 AM

Uh, this is going to fail..

Live plyrs dont like playing 6 handed ... Only young internet regs do. (live plyrs = fish, live regs, mediocre breakeven regs)

The population of young internet guys <<<<<<<< general live poker playing pop.

So, ya...pretty much wont work...

stinkypete · 08-06-2012, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by madlondoner

Also I think it is often correct to pass high variance spots vs good usually young players where online you would get it in/not fold as there will be enough dead money at the table basically giving away money at an insane rate.

live nits like you are exactly the players these games are hoping to eliminate