wow America is kinda like DNegs: once my favorite - now a complete joke. so sad to see what this country has turned into. No wonder ppl all over the world won´t give a damn about a road trip through the land of the free anymore.

But I like the WSOP

it'll still be there. its been there since 1969. It used to be a few tournaments and hundreds of cash games. now its the opposite. If youre a winning player now youll win more if it goes back, ainc.

i'm european, but if i would live in Murica, i would feel safer knowing that terrorists can't launder their dirty drug and porn money in sin city anymore

I would imagine that final table deals would be illegal (unless sanctioned by the casino) under this law.

Well if you see a problem where they are actually breaking a rule and you don't say anything you only have yourself to blame for that.

As far as just rail your friends....no. I swap for financial benefits and to reduce variance. How is it not healthy? Again if you see something that isn't allowed say something. If you nothing is going on how is it not healthy?

As for the bolded....You didn't post any actual problems other than you thought it was a problem and you said the table would have played out differently but didn't say how it played out differently.

I'm going to assume you are talking about soft play or people not taking spots that they would normally take. My answer to that is that it is no different than reg's soft playing each other and that happens all the time.

You basically want to take away everyones opportunity to swap just because a few may soft play or collude. How is that right/fair to the 98% of people that don't soft play or collude?

If you see something happening that shouldn't happen say something.

Thats a pretty ridiculous post limon, im glad its a minority opinion. This would be terrible for poker, not just tournaments.

people playing with their own money and/or being required to declare who they are TEAMED up with is ridiculous? loooool.

If its "ridiculous" why do most of the teamed up, backed up, swapping mother****ers in big games/tourneys guard this info with their lives? The truth always leaks out wayy after the damage is done once the thieves start arguing about their cut or inclusion in the next "deal".

So are the "actual/real working professionals" (you, limon, perhaps) playing with all of their own money or are they trying to pump up stakes to keep some good players at lower levels out of the games and then selling off pieces?



Quotes are from the below linked thread (I added bold).

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29.../#post45114033

it hasn't /really/ been the "land of the free" in quite some time

This may be the saddest attempted insult I have ever seen on 2+2.

It hasn't ever. It's just a slogan made up by someone who had nothing to do with the creation of the government.

Aside from all this being a huge exaggeration, none of this is exclusive to tourneys. And no backing isnt a secret, I publicly buy action here on 2p2 and sometimes end up on same table as a sweat of mine and i dont cheat/collude. You seem to lack a basic understanding of how staking works in multiple ways. 2 horses backed by same guy arent playing as a team, they play to benefit themselves.

I do not know where you got your information.

The phrase was penned by a guy named Francis Scott Key, an American while held aboard a British ship during an attack on Baltimore during the War of 1812.

The poem was set to music and has been very popular in the United States, even if very difficult to sing properly.

The last two words, "play ball", were added later.

I always play with 100% my own money, whether i buy in for 100k or 1k. Some less scrupulous players dont. They are protected by morons like the apologists in this thread who think playing way over your head on a stake or part of a stable or part of a swapping crew is part of the "balla" lifestyle.

this is why poker has become a den of thieves. why a new cheating scandal breaks every week. broke bitches playing too high. getting themselves in spots where they need to cheat their way out. It hurts everyone to have rec players see theyre being teamed up on and quit the games and tell their friends poker is a den of thieves.

If i tell a big rec player that hes in a game with guys swapping the swapping team will look at me like im the ******* because they live in this bull**** fake culture supported by wannabes. these fake games are a BUBBLE and these bubbles burst and hurt everyone. The poker world would be 100% better off if the culture promoted playing on your own dime and shunning teams/stables/wannabes

I wonder what kind of impact this will have on the WSOP Main Event first place guarantee of $10million. No way WSOP can guarantee that if this pass.

ya, tell me how it works. im new to this game. love all those open backing deals in the one drop. by what reported guess all your hero poker pros coughed up a cool mirrrryon. its so open that in the biggest poker interview in years, antonio on stern, he dodged the question multiple times making it all look like a scam.

are you saying backing teams don't exist?

i'm with limon here. anything that takes staking / swapping / etc. out of the game is good for poker b/c it is good for the rec player. and, yes, what is good for the rec player is best for poker.

a lot of butthurt wannabe apologists who dont play on their own dime are gonna crawl out from under their rocks ITT. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Yeh million dollar tourneys happen all the time and are representative of how all staking in tournament poker works. collusion, bankroll sharing and staking teams exist in live cash games too. As a horse in a "staking team" your goal is to make yourself and the backer money and doesnt mean u softplay other horses in the stable. Why dont u try being just a little bit less condescending though?

How is that not exactly what I said? He was 8 when the constitution was ratified.

If cheating creeps up to some non negligible amount it will affect the game. Not every person has to be cheating for staking/swapping to be bad for the game So yes most likely the majority of staking is totally legitimate. However it does raise the incentive to cheat and without a doubt the perception that cheating is occurring.

So just because you may be in the majority of legitimate staking that doesn't prove much. If more people have the incentive to cheat more people will cheat. That's not disputable.

i suppose one serious concern is that parties in staking/sharing agreements will scam more often? stakee cashes in a tournament, decides to keep all the money, says 'what staking agreement? that's illegal, lolz'

Limon spitting gold as usual. F tournies and staking. I've built up from nothing im cash games and anyone who is actually truly good at poker can.

Obviously ending staking would make life better for the player who plays with 100% their own money. No rec player has a reason to get staked (unless it's to be able to brag to his friends how big he plays), so you're generally just setting it up such that there are less pros in the game. But most people who stake/get staked/swap/etc. don't collude or even swap in such a way that colluding would be beneficial in the slightest. And a lot of these deals may seem like teams if you told rec players about them but they're not, and that's why they try to keep them secret.

Say one rich dude buys 90% from 6 5/10 regulars to play 3 whales at 100/200nl cash. It's in all of their best interest to win money from the other players at the table equally, and it's also in their best interest to sell the action in the first place since they can't afford a 20k+ buy-in game but they're fine playing in a 10/20nl game with 3 whales. So this 9-handed game from any of the fish's perspective is no different from playing against 8 independent people putting up their own buy-in. The only possible argument I could see would be the fish knows the players are 5/10 regs and thinks he can scare them with the amount of money in the 100/200 game but I don't really see this as a valid argument because the financial status of players is not public information. So anyway if you told a fish about the situation, that 6 of his 8 opponents had one common person buy 90% of their action, it would seem incredibly sketchy to him. But it's not sketchy in the slightest. So I'd say they're perfectly justified trying to keep what's a private financial agreement secret because it doesn't harm anyone.

Plus the law's dumb because freedom and stuff.