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jerzytom · 06-22-2012, 10:51 PM

does anyone no how much the dealers actually make at the wsop? or better yet what are they taking home per week?

553SHEE · 06-23-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jerzytom

does anyone no how much the dealers actually make at the wsop? or better yet what are they taking home per week?

I wont say what we make cuz it all varies from dealer to dealer and shift to shift, but I will say if I didnt have to pay for two places for rent (vegas and home) along with travel and transportation around town along with all the other things it takes to live for two months I would be doing just fine.

DayTripping · 06-23-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jerzytom

does anyone no how much the dealers actually make at the wsop? or better yet what are they taking home per week?

$8.25/hour + tips

pezbaby · 06-23-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jerzytom

does anyone no how much the dealers actually make at the wsop? or better yet what are they taking home per week?

I have a friend that is a very good dealer and has worked full time at Venetian for years.

She decided to work WSOP to make extra money. She said she took home $200 the first week and $300 the second working 30 hours per week, which includes tournaments and cash games. (She said the cash games are worse.)

So she quit.

Chalupacabra007 · 06-23-2012, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by peterc1992

Fair enough if your dealing a 10k pot maybe you should be given a tip if your dealing is very good and it should be nothing to the players.Maybe if your not getting tipped your not dealing good enough?

Even the small stakes dealers.I dont understand how you can expect tips constantly.The whole point of the tip is if the standard of dealing is high.

The dealers get paid by the hour.Anything extra is a huge plus.

You would think that to be true but it's not. There are many times we don't get tipped for various reasons. I pushed 2 huge pots last night and I'm pretty sure the person was so caught up in winning a huge pot they forgot to tip since they tipped often on smaller pots. Also sometimes a big time player will get mad at the other players and take it out on the dealer and not tip. Not much more you can do than just tap the next tip a little louder and thank them extra hoping it reminds the other guys who stiffed you to remember to tip. Other than that, no big deal.

joeschmoe · 06-23-2012, 11:44 PM

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There are many times we don't get tipped for various reasons..

There is no tipping in the tourneys, and after busting a couple and moving to cash, I am often not tipping just out of habit.
Or, feel guilt about possibly not toking after some prior pot. Who remembers. Big pots, yeah.. your mind is definitely on other things regardless.
I make up for it a bit with a toke upon exit, but it probably aint going to the dealer who deserved it.

M8Ludi · 06-23-2012, 11:50 PM

On the topic of tipping in Las Vegas cardrooms, but not necessarily dealers, I was playing at Bellagio not long ago and one of the players asked a chip runner to order some food and pick it up for him from Noodles.

She returned with his meal and he tipped her a dollar chip. She bent down so that her face was almost in his, held the chip nearly against his nose and growled, "Thank you, Sir!" and held that pose for almost 15 seconds while staring him in the eye.

Brilliant, but the player was completely clueless.

joeschmoe · 06-23-2012, 11:58 PM

i tip them too, but i'm clueless about that 15 sec stare.. what's up with that?

nevermind.. it was food. I saw chip runner and thought "chips".

well.. the guy is an idjit imo. On top of the virtual stiff, chip runners might be the freakin manager.. you never know.

Chalupacabra007 · 06-24-2012, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by joeschmoe

There is no tipping in the tourneys, and after busting a couple and moving to cash, I am often not tipping just out of habit.
Or, feel guilt about possibly not toking after some prior pot. Who remembers. Big pots, yeah.. your mind is definitely on other things regardless.
I make up for it a bit with a toke upon exit, but it probably aint going to the dealer who deserved it.

I personally understand those things and hold no ill will generally unless it becomes habit. I remember sitting down and a kid goes on a heater while I was in the box and wins like 5 big pots in 7 hands and I got $0. From then on I was hoping he'd just get coolered for his whole stack from the guy who had him covered. It also works the other way, I was moving through the snakepit and the fish was tipping $10-20/hand because he's a nice guy, I sat down and he went on an ice cold run and I made $6 on the down. It sucks but it happens.

Chalupacabra007 · 06-24-2012, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pezbaby

I have a friend that is a very good dealer and has worked full time at Venetian for years.

She decided to work WSOP to make extra money. She said she took home $200 the first week and $300 the second working 30 hours per week, which includes tournaments and cash games. (She said the cash games are worse.)

So she quit.

She must have been on the wrong shift. Most dealers are making more than that.

joeschmoe · 06-24-2012, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 553SHEE

...... if I didnt have to pay for two places for rent (vegas and home) along with travel and transportation around town along with all the other things it takes to live for two months I would be doing just fine.

So Caesars isn't tripling you up in some fleabag hotel with a sweet 30% off regular room rates, and busing you in?

actually wanna ask you about that rumored possible dealer strike... was it real. As for Caesar's I think they better mend their ways, make it public, and start early on recruiting next year's crop or there may not be a WSOP.

Rockasilly · 06-24-2012, 01:41 AM

I attended the 6 Week School put on by the Rio and have mixed thoughts about the whole thing. I am glad I took the opportunity to do it and loved the instructors but no matter how much you think you know how to deal, you find out real quick what you dont know once you sit and start dealing at the WSOP. The school has some huge flaws...too many students for 3 instructors and too much information too quick so alot of it just doesnt get retained. Each student practiced during class time by dealing 3 hands at a time which is the only way to give every student a chance each day to be observed dealing given the class size but a down isnt 3 hands and a shift and tournament is a bit different than dealing 3 hands at a time. Really the class should have been about 2 weeks longer.

I definitely have ****ed up way too much and decided moving on from the WSOP was the best thing I could do. Most of the experienced dealers were upset after the few weeks for inconsistent hours and I also felt horrible after some of my horrible downs for the dealer pushing in my game. So all in all I felt I didnt deserve to be there this year. I am a player also and I failed at my own poker "dreams" and certainly dont want hinder someone elses WSOP dreams with rookie mistakes so I just wasnt comfortable being there and being "THAT" dealer.

The players that were coolest to me by far were Jen Harman, David Benyamine, and Isaac Haxton. It was the weirdest thing to me that the players with the most to lose and I thought would be the most serious and quick to request a new dealer were the coolest and most relaxed all around.

I hope everybody at the WSOP has a good safe trip and makes money whether they are dealing or playing.

Memphis21 · 06-24-2012, 01:59 AM

As a dealer on the strip who also dealt the WSOP for several years; what you players dont understand is you get what you tip for. As the tips got worse, and players demanded longer structures, the dealers made drastically less every year until most of the good dealers have realized they can make better money at their normal dealing jobs. So many of us have moved on, and the pool of good dealers they have to draw from will continue to get worse.

Even the last year that I dealt the series in 2010 I was amazed at how many horrible dealers can make it into that series. Many having no experience at all, and not even able to do simple things like split pots and keep their racks straight. But it creates a snowball effect, because players get angry with these bad dealers and take it out on the good ones too.

The number 1 way to get better dealers is to just tip better. Its simple economics, the more money the employees make, the more they fight for those spots and the cream rises to the top.

Memphis21 · 06-24-2012, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Memphis21

As a dealer on the strip who also dealt the WSOP for several years; what you players dont understand is you get what you tip for. As the tips got worse, and players demanded longer structures, the dealers made drastically less every year until most of the good dealers have realized they can make better money at their normal dealing jobs. So many of us have moved on, and the pool of good dealers they have to draw from will continue to get worse.

Even the last year that I dealt the series in 2010 I was amazed at how many horrible dealers can make it into that series. Many having no experience at all, and not even able to do simple things like split pots and keep their racks straight. But it creates a snowball effect, because players get angry with these bad dealers and take it out on the good ones too.

The number 1 way to get better dealers is to just tip better. Its simple economics, the more money the employees make, the more they fight for those spots and the cream rises to the top.

Let met also clarify its not only the players tipping less, its also the casino/floor staff who takes two thirds of the 3% that is supposed to go to the dealers. If dealers got the entire 3% and occasionally a little extra, and one buck a hand in the cash games, we would be happy. That way the better/fast more efficient dealers would make more like they should anyway.

Memphis21 · 06-24-2012, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 553SHEE

dealers defence: tokes suck this year, good dealers from years past didnt come back. so you should be lucky and grateful that you have any dealer that is sitting there trying to make a living on minimum wage while you rich tight wads pass thousands of dollars around a table playing a game, and buying into tournaments that would take some of us dealers a very long time of saving to even afford to play. I also think the higher limit tables should be played in a semi private room/area where you would get great dealers all the time and it would cost you more rake, but for that rake you get better dealers and all the amenities of the casino at your disposal.

Players defence: FYI to qualify for dealing this years WSOP I had to demonstrate my dealing ability to the person doing the auditions... EACH dealer dealt 4 hands.... thats right 4 (FOUR) one hand of holdem, one hand of Omaha, one hand of a version of stud, and one hand of a draw game.

I personally think that there should be some sort of ribbon or badge of sorts that tells players of that dealers skill level. kind of like boy scouts merit badges. its as simple as it could possibly be, each game has a 1-2-3 level, if you have a level 3 badge you can deal any cash or tournament of that particular game of any stakes, if you have a level 1 badge of that game, you are confined to dealing micro limits in cash and small sattelite tables and start daily deepstack turneys, and no tournament over $1500!!! then all the cash tables would be setup in sections to where only level 3s can deal anywhere needed and level 1s could only deal in a specific section. and also the dealer coordinators would all have this info as well so there would be no confusion of where that dealers assignment needs to be.

All the games you listed are the best places for a dealer to make money and deal with less BS. As a level 3 I would sandbag to get those games lol.