With two hands though? I have never seen a player do this in a cash game or tournament with even just a single stack and one hand unless they are going all in. If the player has multiple stacks of reds in a cash game, I totally understand grabbing one stack and cutting out $60 then bringing back $40. But that's completely different than the scenario here.

The angleshooter is described as grabbing all of his chips, which was two stacks of chips, one in each hand and extending those stacks into the middle of the table.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this specific action of grabbing all your chips in two stacks, one in each hand and moving all the chips to the middle while extending both arms fully has never occurred in tournament play other than in these two situations:

1) Angle shooting
2) Going all in

I know I'm repeating myself, but I still don't understand what people think should have happened here. I mean, even if we forget that Matusow is like a sewer saying a toilet is unclean, and we ignore the fact that Glanz was so "fist-pump-all-in" that he didn't let Villain complete his action, what is the damage here? All the chips ended up in the middle anyway and Glanz lost.

What remedy do we want? Do we want the hand scrubbed and Glanz gets all his chips back? That wouldn't be fair. So what, Villain should have to sit out a few hands because he did something within the rules that we all feel is an angle, and Glanz, the professional poker player, fell for it? He should take a penalty because Glanz didn't know the rules and jumped the gun? He should take a penalty because he did something that didn't affect the outcome of the hand that the likes of Matusow thinks is scuzzy?

People who won't wait for chips to hit the felt, won't wait for chips to cross the betting line.

And then you'll have arguments over whether so-and-so's pump fake crossed the plane of the line or not.

People in this thread not questioning glanz behavior fail to realize how he could angle by doing this, as soon as someone is begining to do a forward motion he could flip over hes hand and say, you were going to call!!!

Maybe people also need protection from acting too fast.

Was Mike Drunk in that vid?

To dig in to this a little more, at the WSOP this year it's Rule 56 (I bolded the particularly relevant bit):

Ok people, start snap trowing your hand face up when people make any kind of forward motion. Thanks guys.

Not sure where you are coming from in this thread. Please post more so we can be sure where you stand on this issue.

Right, I mean who would think that of you, the guy who makes it a point to make multiple posts defending every angleshooter in every thread about angleshooting.

or waited until the dealer asked him to..

Can we please stop with the posts saying that Glantz could have avoided being angled by doing such and such? That point has been made numerous times in the thread by now and has become annoying and borderline blaming the victim.

Let's everybody consider it stipulated to at this point that Glantz, like the victim of the vast majority of angles at the poker table, could have been smarter and taken steps that would have avoided or mitigated the effect of the angle.

Thank you very much.

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I just think, that old douchy gents like glantz, do dumb things, like snap turn their hand over, because of some invisible stupidity percieved as "honor" or... i really wanted to stack this guy so i'll turn my hand over quicker to show them whos the boss and stuff, get punished for being just plain dumb. We all know our alleged angler, is not a guy to shy away from people who give away free stuff (bang bang) like their hand.

Plus hes backed by Mike, didnt doyles son post a video that he got mike to play with him in bobbys room just by bringing a salter with coke in it? What kind of a weasel with low moral are you listening too?

Either the floor should overrule actions that are technically within the rules, in favor of the best interests of the game. Or the rule is poorly written and needs to be replaced. Or both. Or what the angle shooter did is just part of the game and shouldn't be punished.

Does that exhaust the possibilities for this thread?

Thank you once again. Please let that be your last post in this thread. Okay?

Oh, forget it. I am closing the thread.

Every possibility has been fully aired.

If anybody has specific information they think needs to be added to the thread, they can PM me or post in the NVG Moderation thread.