Rich, Samuel Touil is from France, not Iowa.

Howard, here's his picture

Rich:

Of course Matt should have waited. But that's why good floor decisions involve discretion rather than literal application. A good floor would rule in favor of your amateur from Iowa when some dickhead angleshooter quickcalls behind, and a good floor should have ruled in favor of Glantz here.

It's just not that difficult to get right.

Thanks, Greg. He actually looks somewhat scummy to my eye.

Just totally wrong.

A guy like Matt Glantz or any decent human being shouldn't get angled at the WSOP.

Okay I'm sorry if I'm missing something but first off, why is Mike Matusow calling anyone a scumbag when he owes Ted Forrest almost a cool million from that weight loss bet that he never paid. Or paid very very little of it.

lol at old douches gettin what they deserve for turning over their hand too quickly because on ¨honour¨... serious suckers itt

well...if the rule is that your chips have to touch the felt, and the guy even admits that his chips don't touch the felt then its his own fault ffs.

So many loser crybabies in the poker world.

This video shows the inconsistency with the rulings

why do they have to turn their cards up so fast?

he would a called anyways if he didnt turn his cards over so quickly, how is it an angle if that is almost always the case.

This is a great attitude to have to continue to be angled.

You should do everything in your power as a player to avoid being involved in a floor call. Bad rulings happen. If Glantz had waited half a second, there would be no need for the floor, and literally a 0% chance of his opponent being able to take back his all-in. So lol @ calling my post wrong when this whole thread wouldn't exist if Glantz had done what I suggested and simply waiting a half second longer.

Angle-shooters are out there, bad floors/rulings are out there, and it's YOUR money on the line. Act like it.

The rec from Iowa is more often than not the victim of angleshooters who are looking to take advantage of his ignorance of local rules, and we should protected him from them.

While we all agree that a seasoned pro should know to protect himself, the fact that it happened to a pro might be the only reason we are hearing about it. Still, the perpetrator was not a rec from Iowa but a professional angleshooter from France, so good read.

But the ruling in the OP is consistent with the one shown in this video.

Agree on above. Before calling an all-in, not only would I always wait until player has definitely concluded his action, I would perhaps more importantly wait until I heard Dealer confirmation of action, such as Dealer announcing "Player all-in".

As douchy as that guy is and we all pretty much agree on that, nevertheless Matt should've known better than to announce his action and flip his cards over before his opponent had either verbalized anything or even retreated his arms/hands with the chips in them back to his body.

Was it not a forward motion rule that forced Nicolas Levi to call against a Dan Fleyshman bluff at the WSOPE a few years back? Or do they have the rule in the WSOPE but not the Vegas one?

On a related note, Alec Torelli was spotted handing a thank-you basket of mini-muffins to Touil 20 minutes after that video was shot.

Yep, it was Matt's fault.

"Shame on you for getting robbed, guess you shouldn't have worn an expensive watch. If you just wouldn't have worn that watch, you wouldn't have been robbed."

This whole thread exists because a total scumbag clearly angled Matt Glantz, not because Matt Glantz didn't wait a half a second longer to call what is considered an all-in bet in 95% of Cardrooms. This is very obvious as the title is "Wsop angle shooter not only...". As you can clearly read, the title is NOT "Matt Glantz fails to wait .5 seconds to call an all in and blames poor guy from Iowa". Just like your first post, you have the wrong target.

Yep, he got angle shot, and he fell for it. Reminds me of the guy that didn't speak great English that when he had the nuts and faced a bet he would say "raise" and put in a calling amount and immediately say, "I meant call, sorry" knowing he would be forced to raise.
He did this a few times, everyone knew he did this, just because you call his raise doesn't mean he's not a total POS angle-shooting clown because you fell for it.

Basically, it's not Matt Glantz's fault that this guy is a POS.

Even with a betting line, there are times when stacks get knocked over and chips fall over the line. Luckily, there's dealers and floor people who can apply common sense and accordingly apply gaming rules based on gaming ethics.

Errr...wait.

why would anyone trust that guy or loan him money lol i thought Phil would be smarter than that

In every bet is a fool and a thief. Crying about it on the internet doesn't make you any less of a sucker.

Normally I don't like to draw too many conclusions before hearing both sides of a story but here I trust Matt's version of events. I don't know Touil.

On the ruling, I think it must depend on exact circumstances. I have sometimes seen players fake act to get a reaction, or just fool around. From what we hear so far Touil is an experienced player who may well have been angling so game protection should kick in and override. At worst they should have frozen the betting so Touil couldn't take advantage of sight of Matt's cards.

I thought the particular ruling was odd in this case. Touil was forced to call Matt's 3-bet and was then allowed to play out the rest of the hand with Matt's cards face up. This suggests the action of moving all his chips forward was considered enough to constitute a call but not enough to be a 4-bet. What is the fundamental difference? He moved all his chips forward so surely the ruling should be either (a) this was not a valid bet and Touil gets to do what he wants (fold/call/raise) or (b) it is a valid bet, in which case Touil is all-in and Matt gets to decide whether to call or not.

Well done to Sarah for delivering the goods as usual.

Lack of forward motion rule is the main problem here

That's not bad, my local casino would have declared Matt's AK hand dead for being exposed

Thanks for letting this stay as it's own thread. Wouldn't have know about it otherwise.

Saying Glantz could have prevented it doesn't necessarily mean it's his fault.

A better analogy would be getting your car stolen because you left your car unlocked with the keys inside of it. The guy who stole your car is a massive POS, but there were steps you could have taken to prevent it.