daniel,

please post in hsnl. thanks.

Daniel,

You make sense. Post what you want. F*ck the people that have a problem with it.

- Dynamite

good point

Ninja bump for lol factor. While everyone was busy nut riding negreanu in this thread no one noticed that the OP was erik seidel, which imo makes the first few posts very funny.

Bill Edler - BLUFF player of year in 2007

Bill Edler - Zero cashes in 2008

What's the point of any kind of ranking system when that kind of variance exists in the poker world?

Bluff's not using that system for the 2008 standings, FWIW.

Hi Erik, yo Daniel wasup !

1) Great that you all are posting on 2+2. active participation on 2+2 by industry leaders like both of you has been lacking, to say the least.

2) IF the intent is to decide who the best is, not sure how we are ever gonna decide who the best is. Like Ivey once said, "poker is a situational situation". If the intent is to have some uinified ranking methodology, then that shouldnt be to hard to pull together, good that you are starting the debate.

anyway you guys are both great players and great for the game amd mucho thanks for taking the time to jump on 2+2 for a bit.
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EDIT: almost forgot (Fri 4/5)

WSOP AINEC!!

LMAO straw dog....wow.

the easy way to figure out which is better is ask people if they would rather win a WPT title or a wsop bracelet. im pretty sure everyone would say the bracelet so...wsop>wpt IMO

Obviously all wsop events arent created equal. Winning the 50k horse or the 2-7 rebuy have fields similar or tougher than the standard wpt event. It is pretty obvious to most everyone that the small buyin wsop events are huge crapshoots with awful structures. There is some skill early where yopu have to play well against fairly bad players. In wpt events, you have to have the skill set to play well against good players. They really are two different games that take fairly different skill sets. So, which is worth more? Being able to play well agsinst bad players with a 20bb stack or against good players with a 100bb stack?

Daniel doesn't like preliminary WSOP events where small ball is not a good tactic? Never!

Is the WPT really that much better than WSOP with structures? Obviously now it is but back in the days of it starting up the FT's had horrific structures that almost always made it a total luckfest. Do you then include these lucky wins in the ranking systems, or only include the "deserved" wins?

I know this is an old post but it's brilliant