Like recs don't wear glasses, earphones or are most of the time the excessive tankers esp on the bubble.

nice!!! was kinda frustrating watching two pros take two minutes for every turn decision in day one, level 1 of the main.

This is fantastic news. Keep on keepin' on, Mr. Savage.

Sounds good to me. Agree with raidalot i think from hand 1 of the tournament would be better. Doesn't make a huge amount of sense that you get less time when the important decisions are being made when near the money but GTO game tree idiots can take infinite time in the early stages.

I would prefer 2 at 60 seconds each.

Giving the time extensions of loser to person who knocked them out is a step in the wrong direction.

What you should do is charge the person who uses a time extension one or two big blinds, to be added to the antes of next hand....yes the use of time extensions should be discouraged to move the game along even more.

^ great idea

For all tournaments the time should be 20 seconds for a decision and 2 minutes if it's an all in.

I love the shot clock, but dislike the idea of less time chips. Poker is weird, and sometimes you need to think. 4 chips is 2 minutes time, which IMO is a very reasonable amount of time to think on the river of a big pot. Action clock discourages tanking, but I still want to be allowed to think in tricky spots.

It seems strange to say that ex. 2 min in time banks is too much. Especially when we are moving from a format where a similar amount of time might be spent on a single pre-flop decision. I think what the change is designed to discourage is the habitual long tanking (and stalling) - especially in trivial situations. Nobody wants to see somebody tank for 5 minutes to call a 30% pot river bet. But I am in favor of giving players at least a handful of opportunities to reach a good decision if need be.

I think this is especially true in the endgame and HU. Lots of complex decisions being made where you need a few extra seconds. 8 banks at the FT sounds nice but once you get to 3 handed or HU you will probably need more.

This is definitely NOT the solution. Sometimes you need a few extra seconds to make your decision - ie. deciding between a couple of bet sizing options on the river.

This is why the online time bank is ideal. You have a couple of minutes in the bank and if you need a second here or there that's fine. If you need a long tank for a big decision - also fine. The online method may not be viable for live poker at the moment but a limited number of long time banks isn't ideal.

Jordan Cristos is melting down on twitter about the change. HA

^^^^

He sounds exactly like the guy that is tank/folding for 3 minutes on each mundane decision, hope he quits the game out of spite!

Well Jordans is missing the bigger picture. If no recs wanna play, does he? Against only regs?

Also, the only guy polling for not having action clock is prolly a fat virgin <3

I'll get ripped for saying this, because for all I know Cristos is a wonderful human being, but that string of Tweets must be 100 percent confirmation to Savage that his idea is a good one.

Also, I'm trying to envision myself at a table with a range of hands and situations. Is it my imagination, or is 30 seconds quite a long time, at least preflop? Sure, there would be more than a few turn/river decisions where 30 seconds would go by and I'd think, "Wow, that went fast." (I'll admit to being a little pokey when I play live because it still takes me a few extra Mississippis to figure out pot and stack sizes, even six-plus years after BF. Kind of embarrassing, really.)

Anyway, I like the idea, and I especially like that the WPT has left the door open to reshape the policy moving forward. But I also expect nothing less from Dr. Savage.


EDIT: oh, and one more thing... while insulting everyone else's intelligence, Cristos doesn't seem to realize that he actually has far more than 30 seconds to act, unless he's under the gun. I assume the 30 seconds doesn't begin until action reaches you, so you also have all the time while waiting for action to move around the table to make your decision. Or maybe I'm just doing it wrong, as an apparent dumbass rec idiot.

Good point may stop the stupid ritual of not looking at their cards until its their action. Takes some people i play with 15-20 seconds to remove the card protector squeeze their cards about as slow as possible put back the card protector then fold.

Can't give anything away if you don't look early, ldo

Yes. No obscuring the face, no sunglasses, hat visors down, hands in front of face, etc.

Poker is about math and communication so why let people put up a wall to block off [inadvertent] communication. Let those who want to do that play online.

Right. Otherwise the game turns into basically 1 tabling an online MTT. Since noone can talk to anyone, noone can see anyone.

Oh what great fun.

Clearly a good way to attract more recs.

Get ripped for this? Anyone disagreeing with you should get shot haha.

Think youre right in what youre writing. 100%.

And me playing 10-20 tables online, having 30 seconds sounds like an eternity. Especially when u take into account your "edit".

Meaning its time+30seconds time = More than enough.

Next step ban New Jersey Stare!





Many amateur players are not playing because of that.

You can always throw out 2 time extensions at the same time if you want a full 90 seconds

Joe is from pa

Sure, but it seems that it all depends on whether or not people are looking at you at that time. If you wait for action to be on you as you first look at your cards, and that's the moment when more players are watching you, then it's the most likely situation to give away information. So looking early would help you conceal that information... in that scenario.

I look as soon as I have a complete hand, cap the cards (regardless of whether or not I plan on playing them), then wait for action to get to me. Sure, if someone is watching at that moment, there's certainly a possibility that I'm giving something up. But mostly, I do it to give myself that extra amount of time to think about how I want to play the hand.

Again, I absolutely leave open the possibility that I'm doing that completely wrong.

You should add the time extension chips to the pot and winner gets the time bank. Players who don't tank can hoard and utilize in later sports. Forfeit the unused time chips if a player busts without using them.

lol no one with half a backbone is scared of fat virgins. lol XD

when ppl stare me down that like i always give them a maniacal smile.

Really like this idea. how about making extension chips a sort of bounty chip as well? If you bust with unused extension chips, you get a small amount of bounty money, and if you win the tournament you also get a small amount of extra money from the unused bounty/extension chips? maybe you start the event with 5 extension/bounty chips, each worth 1% of the buyin (which means the prize pool will be reduced by 5%). And as Flap said, when the extension chips get used, they go into the pot and are awarded to the winner.

Adds a strategic element, but they're not worth enough to skew playing decisions.

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)