William Hill (primary ipoker skin) utilises bots (Mod note - in their casino) - crosspost. - Poker News

Hey, thought this might get more of a response in nvg, seems absurd, especially with all the chatter in the midstakes forums regarding a botting ring cleaning up 400-2knl 6m games.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...irmed-1108249/

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10-04-2011 , 04:22 PM

kelnel

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wow sick...

Do PLO bots exist too?

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10-04-2011 , 04:24 PM

Do it Right

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Insane. I assumed this was some kind of tin foil hatter post or something. There really does seem to be a large amount of evidence that iPoker is blatantly using house operated bots. Wow.

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10-04-2011 , 04:27 PM

Do it Right

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Unbelievable. It really is in their terms and conditions: http://www.williamhillcasino.com/terms.htm

ctrl+f for 'robot'

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10.1.1.4 in games offered via the Website which benefit from more players or greater liquidity we may deploy electronic players (known as robots, and whose usernames will be "bot") who are pre programmed to play and join in with the game in order to assist the liquidity or the number of players gaming

But how kind of them, instead of allowing an overlay they throw in a house run bot with 40% ROI. That's very considerate. Internet poker is such a corrupt joke.

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10-04-2011 , 04:31 PM

Julebag

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10.1.1.4 in games offered via the Website which benefit from more players or greater liquidity we may deploy electronic players (known as robots, and whose usernames will be "bot") who are pre programmed to play and join in with the game in order to assist the liquidity or the number of players gaming

Wow, can we PLEASE get some regulated online poker. Seriously.

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10-04-2011 , 04:37 PM

moneybag09

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I miss this old willhill, better days, i dont think this would be just will hill wouldnt this be for all ipoker skins?

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10-04-2011 , 04:39 PM

moki

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Most amusing part is that the bot is a winning player... crushing the field. Nice way to make money for the site... not.

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10-04-2011 , 04:50 PM

GloupnaktouK

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Originally Posted by ChasingAces

How was this not caught sooner when the bots name is actually "bot"?

Because a ton of them are also operated by other players who don't subscribe to that rule?

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10-04-2011 , 04:58 PM

pokouz

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lol, the simple truth is that williamhill support is the WORST of the whole poker industry and they just gave a wrong/stupid answer

Dont worry, this story is a misunderstanding imo

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10-04-2011 , 05:01 PM

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Do it Right

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The link above, and the one from the thread in the Zoo, is for their casino site. This seems to be the link for their poker games: http://www.williamhillpoker.com/terms.htm

It does not have the bot condition. It will be interesting to see what comes of this.

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10-04-2011 , 05:02 PM

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NexusWR

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I'm really surprised by Will Hill's decision to do this.

Did I imagine it or was there a Will Hill subforum that has now disappeared?

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10-04-2011 , 05:02 PM

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himomitsme

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wowugh.
a shame the support never answered 2 of the interesting questions (what the support means with 'they throw in bots when they need more liquidity at the tables' and to elaborate on the need to having a bot in a tourney 'so they can keep that particular table running'

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10-04-2011 , 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Do it Right

Unbelievable. It really is in their terms and conditions: http://www.williamhillcasino.com/terms.htm

ctrl+f for 'robot'

But how kind of them, instead of allowing an overlay they throw in a house run bot with 40% ROI. That's very considerate. Internet poker is such a corrupt joke.

That's the casino T+C, not the poker T+C I tihnk.

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10-04-2011 , 05:17 PM

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Ansky

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Does the site have casino games that are played by multiple users at once?

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10-04-2011 , 05:41 PM

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Do it Right

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Originally Posted by NoahSD

That's the casino T+C, not the poker T+C I tihnk.

Yeah, see post 10. Can you modify my earlier post to reference it? I reported it and requested as much but nothing came of that.

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10-04-2011 , 05:47 PM

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2hi4me2cu

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Rather than cross my post in the other thread, I would just like to add that I will never play any games involving cash ever on this site.

And would never recommend it to anyone.

(referring to poker, casino, anything)

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10-04-2011 , 05:48 PM

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mocky

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W T F

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10-04-2011 , 05:58 PM

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HeavyTrev

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Originally Posted by NoahSD

That's the casino T+C, not the poker T+C I tihnk.

Right (as usual) but when you go to poker and click on T&C it takes you here
http://williamhill-lang.custhelp.com...p?p_faqid=6719

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10.1.1.4 in games offered via the Website which benefit from more players or greater liquidity we may deploy electronic players (known as robots, and whose usernames will be "bot") who are pre-programmed to play and join in with the game in order to assist the liquidity or the number of players gaming although we will not use bots without making such usage clear to You;

But there is also this:

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11. COLLUSION, CHEATING, FRAUD AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY
11.5.3 an "unfair advantage" shall include, without limitation, the exploitation of a fault, loophole or error in our or any third party's software used by You in connection with the Services (including in respect of any game), the use of automated players ('bots'), or the exploitation by You, to the disadvantage of us or other players of an 'Error' as defined in paragraph 18.1.

So house bots are cool but not 'players' using bots?

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10-04-2011 , 06:12 PM

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MSchu18

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cool... more live play!

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10-04-2011 , 06:16 PM

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Jamsym1

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Originally Posted by Ansky

Does the site have casino games that are played by multiple users at once?

this

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10-04-2011 , 06:18 PM

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Meatballer

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lol y everybody mad? Bots are easy to spot and u can exploit them like crazy...

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10-04-2011 , 06:24 PM

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rndm

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Originally Posted by Meatballer

lol y everybody mad? Bots are easy to spot and u can exploit them like crazy...

over/under on how many times this absurdly stupid point is made?

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10-04-2011 , 06:25 PM

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vvolf69

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Originally Posted by NoahSD

That's the casino T+C, not the poker T+C I tihnk.

[ ] noah is right

link to official will hill poker internet page
http://poker.williamhill.com/

link to official will hill poker terms and conditions which are in place today
http://williamhill-lang.custhelp.com...p?p_faqid=6719

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10.1.1.4 in games offered via the Website which benefit from more players or greater liquidity we may deploy electronic players (known as robots, and whose usernames will be "bot") who are pre-programmed to play and join in with the game in order to assist the liquidity or the number of players gaming although we will not use bots without making such usage clear to You;

however, to be fair and honest against will hill you have to mention that there is no evidence actually that they make usage of this.

pointing at will hill and other ipoker skins for tolerating bots is a diferent thing and that´s what they are definitely guilty for.

just a short example of what we are really talking...

a list of 39 players which are suspected to be bots. the list was given to ipoker and some rooms 3 weeks ago. so far nothing happened. not even an official response...

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Last edited by vvolf69; 10-04-2011 at 06:39 PM.

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10-04-2011 , 06:31 PM

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ACEvivKING

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Why would anyone ever play on this site again? Thats some bull ****.

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10-04-2011 , 06:47 PM

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confirm

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house bots - house players, they are on every site, why wouldnt they be, more free cash for the site.

What do you think is making all thoses "magic" calls

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