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Old 06-28-2011, 05:52 PM   #91
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But what happens to money that's just "Socked away"? It doesn't sit under Bill Gates mattress. It's being invested as capital in other endeavors. That's where capital is SUPPOSED to come from, savings. Not the printing press.
So I should pay more in taxes (since the lower and middle classes will be making up what the large corporations and wealthy don't pay) in order to allow the wealthy to have more money to invest and make even more money.

GREAT PLAN!

FAIRTAX is supposedly revenue neutral. The wealthy get a break since they only pay tax on what they spend like everyone else, the corporations pay no taxes -- so where does the money come from? Yeah. But hey, the wealthy get to invest their tax free savings to make more tax free money! wheeeeee!
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:55 PM   #92
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So I should pay more in taxes (since the lower and middle classes will be making up what the large corporations and wealthy don't pay) in order to allow the wealthy to have more money to invest and make even more money.

GREAT PLAN!
You won't be paying more in taxes.

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServ...faq_answers#1T

Information is out there if you want to find it.

Have a good day.
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:58 PM   #93
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No it's not. Many large corporations pay little to no income taxes, and a lot of them actually get paid instead of paying.

I like your lie about the consumption tax to replace all taxes being more "fair" too. That's a lie. A middle class guy likes me buys a steak, I pay a consumption tax on it. OUCH! A really wealthy guy who makes 1000x times, or maybe 10,000x more than me buys a steak. Pays the same tax, doesn't even notice it.

Of course those guys who make 10000x more money, eat 10000 more pounds of steak, right? So it is fair.
Without getting into a whole bunch of things... Right now as we speak the government you want squeezes the lower income people the most. Hear me out... the government doesn't produce anything, it doesn't sell anything, the only way it can get money to give out or spend is by taxing, or printing money (I.E. QE) politicians dont get elected by raising taxes so to get the money to spend they print it up, printing money leads to inflation which, if your a small family barely getting by and food/gas is a significant part of your monthly expenditures who does that squeeze more? The guy who's worth 50,000,000,000 and to fill up his Porshe it's $60 and a drop in the bucket or the guy with the 9-5 who was already spending most of his income on food/energy? Say inflation doubles food/energy doubles, the Porsche is $120 to fill up and now the guy with the 9-5 is spending double to feed his family and fill his tank. Also rich people have the means to protect there wealth by investing where as any extra money the 9-5 working guy has goes to rising prices...
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:09 PM   #94
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All that and 420 friendly too!
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:12 PM   #95
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Interesting - he is distant, but essentially equal to rick santorum on intrade.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:13 PM   #96
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2 posts and he already has an undertitle
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:20 PM   #97
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Welcome to the forums Governor Johnson. After a quick look at some of your positions you're the kind of guy that would get my vote,esp because of your position on poker.

My vote hinges on your answer to 2 questions and if you answer them correctly you have my vote.

Question 1: Do you believe that John Quincy Adams was a founding father.

Question 2: Do you know the difference between John Wayne (the actor) and John Wayne Gacy (the serial killer)

As these could be difficult questions to answer and may require deep thought and analysis please feel free to consult your political advisors and take as much time as you need.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:22 PM   #98
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It's extremely doubtful that the Governor is electable in the current party structure we have (and certainly not within the GOP primary system), but his inclusion in any debates on issues would be incredibly welcome and spur thoughtful and necessary discussion. He's a very smart, principled, libertarian-leaning candidate. The GOP would be much better served, IMO, if more of their candidates thought along his lines.
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Liked what I was seeing until I saw THIS

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THE U.S. TAX SYSTEM IMPOSES AN ENORMOUS toll on productivity through high marginal rates, absurd complexity, loopholes for the well-connected, and incentives for wasteful decisions. The government must lower the tax burden to stimulate the economy.

Eliminate punitive taxation of savings and investment.
Simplify the tax code; stop using it to reward special interests and control behavior.
Eliminate the corporate income tax so that America will once again be a great place to start a business.
Love the personal freedom stuff. Hate the obv unworkable and proven false numerous times stuff.
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It's extremely doubtful that the Governor is electable in the current party structure we have (and certainly not within the GOP primary system), but his inclusion in any debates on issues would be incredible welcome and spur thoughtful and necessary discussion. He's a very smart, principled, libertarian-leaning candidate. The GOP would be much better served, IMO, if more of their candidates thought along his lines.
This. 4 Years ago it was Ron Paul up there alone. This time Governor Johnson is there as well. Maybe next time there will be 3, or 4, or 8 candidates who have come around to "our" way of thinking after seeing the result of the disastrous policies of the last 20 years.
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Liked what I was seeing until I saw THIS

Love the personal freedom stuff. Hate the obv unworkable and proven false numerous times stuff.
What exactly do you disagree with?

(corporate tax was discussed a little upthread if you're grunching)
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:28 PM   #102
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Hello Governor, and welcome to the forums.

While most on here are primarily concerned with the return of online poker to the domestic marketplace, I think this is of secondary importance. I would like to understand your position on the taxation of poker winnings. Do you fully understand and agree with the current US law, and if you could, what changes would you bring about? Also, how would you propose taxing the operators of online poker sites?

Thank you for your response.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:29 PM   #103
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Welcome to the forums, and best of luck to you.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:36 PM   #104
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What exactly do you disagree with?

(corporate tax was discussed a little upthread if you're grunching)
Grunching, yes. Obv NO corporate income tax is a joke. They hardly pay any as it is.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:37 PM   #105
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I heard you on wait wait don't tell me on NPR a while ago, you were hilarious. You should challenge the other candidates to a Triathalon.
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