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Old 02-11-2010, 06:39 AM   #91
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Re: Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry?

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Old 02-11-2010, 07:50 AM   #92
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Re: Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry?

I thought Mason Malmuth had a Ph.D. I don't knows why. He is a learned and reasonable man. I met Dutch Boyd before anyone had heard of him. I gave him that nickname. He said Russ. I thought he said Dutch.
Dutch left Two Plus Two no choice but to sue. His actions in this matter are silly, and child-like, and I imagine Dutch knows it.
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Old 02-11-2010, 08:46 AM   #93
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randomness - i don't have time to infract you right now but you need to stop with your dumb hand analysis in this thread. thanks.
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Old 02-11-2010, 09:27 AM   #94
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Look at how he responds to posters in this thread.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...n=&page=0&vc=1
I opened this thread just to see if this thread was posted, it is my single favorite thread in 2+2 history.

Anyone new (and by "new" I guess I really mean anyone who hasn't been here for over 4 years) to the forum should do themselves a favor and read through it, despite its length.

To this day I'm not sure that Mason has ever admitted to being dead wrong about that hand, which in and of itself would seem to shed some light on why many people don't get along well with him.

EDIT: If Mason has admitted that he was wrong about the AQs v JJ then I apologize for implying that he hasn't and would love to see a link.
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Old 02-11-2010, 09:36 AM   #95
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EDIT: If Mason has admitted that he was wrong about the AQs v JJ then I apologize for implying that he hasn't and would love to see a link.
Read the entire thread.

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Old 02-11-2010, 09:58 AM   #96
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Read the entire thread.

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Ah yes, I don't know how I could have forgotten that. My mistake, I retract the part about not being sure if he ever admitted he was wrong.

He did, it just took him until Nov. 21st, and only after numerous failed attempts to either redefine the question and move the goal posts or outright dismiss the opinions of those smart enough to realize that he was dead wrong on Nov. 12th.

Sorry about that.
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Old 02-11-2010, 10:08 AM   #97
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I just want to make a correction here. "Dr, Malmuth" implies I have a Ph.D, which is not the case.

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See he is a NIT!

j/k Mason. Its good to not let people think something that's untrue.

In my circle of friends i'm sure i'm know as that "know it all who likes to correct people." But none of my friends hate me for it. Haters are always going to be people you don't care what they think anyway.

EDIT: Even if Mason apparently acted like a dick in that posted thread, he apologized. One internet discussion of one poker hand i don't think is enough to justify the spew against Mason. Bluff guys are jealous and angry about business. Business is business. Its not personal. The Bluff guys need a Tom Hagen to advise them of this fact.

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Old 02-11-2010, 12:46 PM   #98
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Not a level. It's a pain to dole infractions. I was playing a bunch of different tables at the same when I wrote that and really only had the energy to do that post and not go through the infraction process.

I was also using the post as a warning to others to stop babbling about the AQ vs JJ debate as if it's a new thing AND was also in a giving mood and willing to let him off without an infraction if he didn't press on.
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:47 AM   #99
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Re: Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry?

I appear on The Poker Beat with Gary Wise, and thought I would add a quick comment.

I have no personal opinion of Mason Malmuth, because I've never met him. I have a fairly high professional opinion because of the success of 2+2 (judged both by money and quality).

However, I think the reason 2+2 wasn't represented in Bluff's power rankings is because they only ranked individuals this year. (PokerStars is #1 and Full Tilt is #2, but those are legal disguises for the individuals with primary ownership, and Bluff admits that in an editorial note.)

The problem for 2+2 is that the power is generated by the thousands of posters, and not by the individual owners of the site. Yes, they could ban people, and choose which books to publish and things like that, but as pointed out several times in this thread, 2+2's ownership succeeds by staying out of the way.

Malmuth, by choice, doesn't actively participate in the poker "industry" as much as he just does his own thing (and play poker, of course). That's to his credit, but it does weaken his power and influence within the "industry."

I'm not sure whether I'd include anyone from 2+2 in the top 20 as individuals, but I definitely wouldn't include them in the top 10. Now, if you're judging companies and organizations (as Bluff had in the past), then it would be absurd to leave 2+2 out of the top 10.

Okay, so my comment wasn't so quick. My apologies.
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Old 02-12-2010, 11:42 AM   #100
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EDIT: If Mason has admitted that he was wrong about the AQs v JJ then I apologize for implying that he hasn't and would love to see a link.
"To answer your question honestly when it comes to hold 'em and stud, I already know everything there is to know and it has been this way for many years." - Mason Malmuth, March 24, 2002
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Old 02-12-2010, 12:25 PM   #101
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Re: Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry?

Nothing but respect for the man. Few years ago I was playing 5/10 at Bellagio. An older gentleman who was wearing a a dark purple two plus two shirt made a raise and his opponent folded. I was drunk, young, and belligerent at the time and made a smart ass comment, "watch out he's two plus two!" to which Mason replied to me "I own two plus two". Never before have I felt more shamed.
P.S. Is that the only shirt you own? I just saw u last week at Aria and u were wearing the same shirt two years later.
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Old 02-12-2010, 12:38 PM   #102
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Re: Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry?

Surprised this hasn't come up yet but obviously the reason Gary Wise dispises Mason is this...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...-2-2-a-174882/

And frankly i don't blame Gary i would feel the same way in his spot.
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Old 02-12-2010, 03:09 PM   #103
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Nothing but respect for the man. Few years ago I was playing 5/10 at Bellagio. An older gentleman who was wearing a a dark purple two plus two shirt made a raise and his opponent folded. I was drunk, young, and belligerent at the time and made a smart ass comment, "watch out he's two plus two!" to which Mason replied to me "I own two plus two". Never before have I felt more shamed.
P.S. Is that the only shirt you own? I just saw u last week at Aria and u were wearing the same shirt two years later.
Sort of. I actually own a few thousand copies of the same shirt.

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Old 02-12-2010, 03:16 PM   #104
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Surprised this hasn't come up yet but obviously the reason Gary Wise dispises Mason is this...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...-2-2-a-174882/

And frankly i don't blame Gary i would feel the same way in his spot.
Speaking generically, we have rules concerning posts here, and if violated, especially more than once, you do run the risk of being banned. But in this case we did lift the ban and there has been no further problem.

But there is a little bit more related to our Wise problem which no one outside of Two Plus Two has ever been informed about. It goes back to an email that I received from him almost exactly four years ago, before any of us had ever heard of him, which offered some sort of business deal to Two Plus Two that had a few problems. Since Wise is so complementary of me, perhaps he would like to comment on this publicly.

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Old 02-12-2010, 03:20 PM   #105
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Re: Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry?

I definitely do NOT hate Mr. M but I did hate having his face as my avatar last April Fools Day.
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