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Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry? Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry?

03-12-2012 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
LOL @ the thought that someone is keeping tabs on anyone who posted something negative so they can ban them months later as some kind of vengeance.


I believe he chooses to use the account that is his.

Hint: It's not D.S.


And it's an insult to all the moderators here to suggest that their moderating decisions are guided by whether posts show respect to MM. Your posts show a serious misunderstanding of how things work around here, which is understandable since there's no reason you would have any knowledge of the inner workings of the site.


Using phrases like "totalitarian action reminiscent of an Orwell novel" when discussing one person's tempban on a privately owned forum, I would hope this post is meant as a joke.

If you are actually serious, the bolded sentence above seems to indicate you don't get around these forums very much.
It seems as though you are loved by Blue Mods Mr. Malmuth. People are censored who don't share your views but that's OK it's your forum. I would do the same thing... so who am I to judge?
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03-12-2012 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by frzn assets
Did MM seriously ban this guy for commenting on his management style??? How is that a personal insult?? If someone on the forums states that they don't like how Howard Lederer managed FTP will they be banned for personally insulting Howard?? I guess freedom of expression is not permissible on 2+2 if it is less than sycophantic or contradicts management's POV. I find this totalitarian action reminiscent of an Orwell novel and am extremely disturbed by it. This self serving and rather petty action has; however, allowed me to understand the origin of this thread's title. That's not an insult, it is my point of view regarding censorship of free thought in what is suppose to be a free society; please don't minsconstrue one for the other.


As a reader, I would say Hockey Sticks went way beyond questioning Mason's management style.

Last edited by ChaosReigns; 03-12-2012 at 04:13 PM. Reason: Freedom of Speech applies only to the government and its citizens
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03-12-2012 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by frzn assets
... If someone on the forums states that they don't like how Howard Lederer managed FTP will they be banned for personally insulting Howard?? ...
If someone pisses outside on a windy day, is the outcome of their action impacted by the direction from which the wind is blowing ?
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03-12-2012 , 04:24 PM
I find it odd that MM is being accused of suppressing expression and censorship in a thread titled “Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry.” From MM’s perspective, this thread seems like a good candidate for censorship, but yet here it is over two years later . . .
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03-12-2012 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Prospace
It seems as though you are loved by Blue Mods Mr. Malmuth. People are censored who don't share your views but that's OK it's your forum. I would do the same thing... so who am I to judge?
I assumed my post would be discounted out of hand by some because I am a "Blue Mod" and I'm not likely to convince those sort of people to listen, so I won't spend a tonne of time on this, but I'll make two quick points.

Where does my post show any support, let alone love, for MM? Not that he doesn't have my support in many things, but that wasn't what my post was about.

And if you dispute any of my points, then feel free to post what is wrong with them. Regardless of who I am, judge my posts on their merits, not on your perception of bias.
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03-12-2012 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Willy Gee
I find it odd that MM is being accused of suppressing expression and censorship in a thread titled “Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry.” From MM’s perspective, this thread seems like a good candidate for censorship, but yet here it is over two years later . . .
Ha, yes its still here and he's still banning people for daring to question his management style; a model socratic discussion... excepting of course the input from those with opposing viewpoints.

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett: 2+2 Ad Man
LOL @ the thought that someone is keeping tabs on anyone who posted something negative so they can ban them months later as some kind of vengeance.


I believe he chooses to use the account that is his.

Hint: It's not D.S.


And it's an insult to all the moderators here to suggest that their moderating decisions are guided by whether posts show respect to MM. Your posts show a serious misunderstanding of how things work around here, which is understandable since there's no reason you would have any knowledge of the inner workings of the site.


Using phrases like "totalitarian action reminiscent of an Orwell novel" when discussing one person's tempban on a privately owned forum, I would hope this post is meant as a joke.

If you are actually serious, the bolded sentence above seems to indicate you don't get around these forums very much.
The description directly below your user name pretty much encapsulates the bias all of your statements possess...
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03-12-2012 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I assumed my post would be discounted out of hand by some because I am a "Blue Mod" and I'm not likely to convince those sort of people to listen, so I won't spend a tonne of time on this, but I'll make two quick points.

Where does my post show any support, let alone love, for MM? Not that he doesn't have my support in many things, but that wasn't what my post was about.

And if you dispute any of my points, then feel free to post what is wrong with them. Regardless of who I am, judge my posts on their merits, not on your perception of bias.
The other day, lets say over 4 days ago I posted views that weren't liked by Malmuth and were cc'd to him by Professionalpoker and I was temp banned for 3 days even though before I posted I asked permission and was granted and nothing was insulting.
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03-12-2012 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by frzn assets
Ha, yes its still here and he's still banning people for daring to question his management style; a model socratic discussion... excepting of course the input from those with opposing viewpoints.



The description directly below your user name pretty much encapsulates the bias all of your statements possess...
AFAIK the only folks that are banned are those that stoop to insults or repeat the same drone post after post without additional info or discussion of the opposing viewpoints.

Last edited by Videopro; 03-12-2012 at 04:45 PM. Reason: Hijacking a thread for your own off-topic discussion also applies.
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03-12-2012 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
If someone pisses outside on a windy day, is the outcome of their action impacted by the direction from which the wind is blowing ?
The direction the wind is blowing is not up for debate because it is a black and white objective fact.

MM's management style etc. is not a black and white matter... The fact that there is a heated discussion as to why/why not MM is hated in the industry demonstrates that the topic is debatable, depends on one's perspective and past experiences with him.

Your analogy, in this regard, is fallacious.

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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
AFAIK the only folks that are banned are those that stoop to insults or repeat the same drone post after post without additional info or discussion of the opposing viewpoints.
What insult?

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Originally Posted by ChaosReigns
As a reader, I would say Hockey Sticks went way beyond questioning Mason's management style.
Ya, for sure..

wait..

No, no he did not.

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03-12-2012 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
AFAIK the only folks that are banned are those that stoop to insults or repeat the same drone post after post without additional info or discussion of the opposing viewpoints.
When your being quoted with the sames questions, your going to give the same answers. If you want to look at drone posting, go the FTP thread and they have been saying the same things since april 15th.
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03-12-2012 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Prospace
When your being quoted with the sames questions, your going to give the same answers. If you want to look at drone posting, go the FTP thread and they have been saying the same things since april 15th.
Once again you are derailing a thread for your own purposes. We have a forum called About the Forums where you can discuss your grievances.

Last word on moderation in this thread. The FT thread is treated a bit differently and there is always flexibility in modding rules. That thread is a release valve for those suffering through the FT shutdown, so most posts are let go unless they are reported and are seen as way off topic or insulting. Anything else that you want to discuss about moderation, take it to ATF as Mason has little to do with it.
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03-12-2012 , 05:51 PM
TwoPlusTwo simply wins. From fixing my trojan in the Technical thread to making degens happy to read (I sit next to someone at work who bets on it) Survivor thread. Add into the fact of educating all the players out there with the best (yes, the BEST) Poker books available.

Any haters out there can look in the mirror and ask some tough questions. You guys wish you had half the Poker and business brain of MM and DS.
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03-12-2012 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
AFAIK the only folks that are banned are those that stoop to insults or repeat the same drone post after post without additional info or discussion of the opposing viewpoints.
Yea, it appears that trolling has become so permissible that most posters, particularly new ones have no idea what it even means anymore. I'm pretty sure that could be cured in 30 days. I've never been a proponent of "heavy" modding but the line just keeps getting pushed little by little each and everyday.

btw, this is in no way a shot at the mods, It's just becoming increasingly clear that being fair has just been taken as "it's ok", abused and taken advantage of their good nature.
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03-12-2012 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
New account with "Posts Per Day: 8.96" and trolling the site owner with miss-information. I am surprised it is only a 3 day ban.
Professionalpoker becoming the mini-mason. I guess we found where 2+2 shifted TT to in the restructuring.

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Originally Posted by Willy Gee
I find it odd that MM is being accused of suppressing expression and censorship in a thread titled “Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry.” From MM’s perspective, this thread seems like a good candidate for censorship, but yet here it is over two years later . . .
It is here because the negative was coming up so much they tried to neutralize it with this thread. And this thread is missing many many posts.

In a BM thread about the state of the various poker rooms someone complained about their posts about the Wynn disappearing.

I wrote something like that is because criticizing the Wynn Room is not allowed on 2=2 because one of Mason's friend's run it.

That comment was gone very quickly.

Someone finally got through with a mild criticism of the Wynn. But if you look at the thread it appears they are the only one who did and they might not know what they are talking about. The mods changed the message of the thread by deleting posts.

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03-12-2012 , 07:05 PM
Guys.. we're all overlooking something. Mason Malmuth is the kingpin of a secret society that has ruled the world for over 9000 years. Suppressing dissent in the poker world is just one of his nefarious schemes to continue the world domination of the Reptilian Jewish Masons. He said it himself, he delegates authority.

Why else would his first name be Mason? Wake up and connect the dots, sheeple. And don't even get me started on the subliminal messages in Two Plus Two's books.

In before this post is deleted, I am banned, my computer is exploded, and I am hauled off to Guantanamo Bay.
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03-12-2012 , 08:14 PM
My only issue is I think Mason gets excessive credit where it isnt deserved. Fact is Mason has never cashed in a major Poker Tournament (WSOP,WPT,EPT,PPT, etc) let alone win one. Mason as far as creating what has become the largest poker forum out there, he does deserve full credit and gets it, but as for actually having poker street cred as being a poker player with notable winnings and titles, the facts are clear as day. I do think some people have issues with Mason out of jealousy of his position with 2+2, but I do agree some of the heavy handiness of mods has caused issues with posters at times as well ,and as Mason is the head of 2+2, he will always face the brunt of criticism for those actions fairly or unfairly.
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03-12-2012 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by corbalt
Guys.. we're all overlooking something. Mason Malmuth is the kingpin of a secret society that has ruled the world for over 9000 years. Suppressing dissent in the poker world is just one of his nefarious schemes to continue the world domination of the Reptilian Jewish Masons. He said it himself, he delegates authority.

Why else would his first name be Mason? Wake up and connect the dots, sheeple. And don't even get me started on the subliminal messages in Two Plus Two's books.

In before this post is deleted, I am banned, my computer is exploded, and I am hauled off to Guantanamo Bay.
THANK YOU
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03-12-2012 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by corbalt

In before this post is deleted, I am banned, my computer is exploded, and I am hauled off to Guantanamo Bay.
We are on a trial version of Commercial Stuxnet. I'd keep an eye on your furnace and dishwasher. They might start acting up.
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03-12-2012 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by corbalt
Guys.. we're all overlooking something. Mason Malmuth is the kingpin of a secret society that has ruled the world for over 9000 years. Suppressing dissent in the poker world is just one of his nefarious schemes to continue the world domination of the Reptilian Jewish Masons. He said it himself, he delegates authority.

Why else would his first name be Mason? Wake up and connect the dots, sheeple. And don't even get me started on the subliminal messages in Two Plus Two's books.

In before this post is deleted, I am banned, my computer is exploded, and I am hauled off to Guantanamo Bay.
Story checks out.
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03-12-2012 , 09:12 PM
I Love You Mason

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03-12-2012 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FTPJesus
My only issue is I think Mason gets excessive credit where it isnt deserved. Fact is Mason has never cashed in a major Poker Tournament (WSOP,WPT,EPT,PPT, etc) let alone win one.
Ya, I can't believe he wrote all those books on tournaments without ever playing in them or cashing.

Oh, wait...
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03-13-2012 , 01:27 AM
i love me some mason too
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03-13-2012 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AdamSchwartz
Ya, I can't believe he wrote all those books on tournaments without ever playing in them or cashing.

Oh, wait...
He was smart enough to hire Mike, Adam and Bunner for the pokercast this alone is indication of Mason's understanding of poker broadcasting talent.
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03-13-2012 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Honey Badger
He was smart enough to hire Mike, Adam and Bunner for the pokercast this alone is indication of Mason's understanding of poker broadcasting talent.
Definitely one of our better decisions.

Best wishes,
Mason
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03-13-2012 , 02:37 AM
now for what everyone is wondering...

shouldn't McShipperson have 2 S's?
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