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11-13-2017 , 05:14 PM

Draugsvoll

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I can't help but feel like fish are the last one to both notice, and care about the crap changes that are happening.

Does that ironically mean stars is becoming better and better for regs who stick around? -.-

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11-13-2017 , 05:27 PM

Tutejszy

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the games are slightly softer, but not enough to offset the terrible changes - at least in NLHU zoom, which is my main game. I also play some lowstakes PLO and plo25 and plo50 became extremely soft, but Im still not sure if it is beatable without rakeback, unless you are a crusher (in which case why would you play those stakes)

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11-13-2017 , 05:33 PM

PeteBlow

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You won't be seeing much change playing HU. Fish don't play HU.

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11-13-2017 , 05:38 PM

Maximus122

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I'm very surprised at how little traffic was lost.

Hyper traffic has been decimated, but aside from that, the same number of players seem to be online especially in the Zoom/Tournament pools.

At peak times there are still 110,000 people online easily. So most people must be continuing to play on Stars.

If a person was making $120,000 a year by making Supernova Elite that definitely hasn't been made up by further softness in games in my opinion.

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11-14-2017 , 12:25 AM

Colin_Piddle

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^ Yes and about 4-5 years ago they were getting 250,000 people online at peak times. It's declining

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11-14-2017 , 01:13 AM

Duffman08

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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle

^ Yes and about 4-5 years ago they were getting 250,000 people online at peak times. It's declining

Is this including their segregated countries/pools? ie add-up every non USA facing PStars Client .

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11-14-2017 , 01:33 AM

Exothermic

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Zoom fr is dead basically.

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11-14-2017 , 02:21 AM

Nooseknot

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I'd like to make a sweeping conjecture that no one has a sample size big enough to accurately answer this.

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11-14-2017 , 02:43 AM

itaba

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I dunno but party poker is a reg fest now, 99% are regs at fast poker...

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11-14-2017 , 03:15 AM

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H0RUS

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Depends on their fiber intake

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11-14-2017 , 04:33 AM

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cilderr

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ssnl zoom maybe softer but less beatable bc no rakeback. Spins soft as usual but again no rb so less beatable. PLO soft but still unbeatable for non-crushers bc effective rake is unreal. Bumhunting prolly worse bc w no rb there is no incentive to masstable (unless it doesn't hurt ur wr like in fr).

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11-14-2017 , 05:43 AM

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ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by Draugsvoll

Does that ironically mean stars is becoming better and better for regs who stick around? -.-

Some games might have got a bit softer, but they'd need to be a helluva lot softer to offset an 85% cut in rakeback/rewards.
Party reportedly had a decent uptick in traffic in the month following the changes on Stars (it briefly overtook 888)... but Stars Group had a huge increase in revenue in the last quarter. For Stars, it's been the most successful rake grab in years. If revenues went up, one can only assume withdrawals went down.

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11-14-2017 , 06:13 AM

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The Imp

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Seeing quite a few regs playing micros ($5nl/$10nl) that used to play higher. Players are scripting reg tables at those stakes now and micro Zoom seems as nitty as it always has. The games were never going to get softer with a rake increase.

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11-14-2017 , 08:36 AM

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KossuKukkula

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Originally Posted by Maximus122

especially in the Zoom/Tournament pools.

Don't know about mtt games but if you want to play zoom games you basically need to choose between stars and party. And pretty sure that the majority of the players prefers stars client over party.

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11-14-2017 , 08:48 AM

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PTLou

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Originally Posted by KossuKukkula

. And pretty sure that the majority of the players prefers stars client over party.

now Im not an online grinder but I thought the basic goal was to make money, vs clicking the prettiest buttons ?

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11-14-2017 , 02:52 PM

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KossuKukkula

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Originally Posted by PTLou

now Im not an online grinder but I thought the basic goal was to make money, vs clicking the prettiest buttons ?

Yes. Ain't alking about 'clicking the prettiest buttons' talking about overall playing experience. Just to begin with you have more time to act with stars client. And with randoms it might even be about all the pretty things.

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11-14-2017 , 03:02 PM

#17

Foreva More

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Its a TON harder for me right now.

Following that title

"Poker Revenue At PokerStars Grows 12.5 Percent In Third Quarter Despite Player Pool Remaining Flat"

i can say for sure, that they didn`t pull that profit out of their asses.

Last edited by Foreva More; 11-14-2017 at 03:11 PM.

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11-14-2017 , 05:42 PM

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Draugsvoll

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Originally Posted by Foreva More

That's both hillarious and sad ^_^

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11-14-2017 , 06:35 PM

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Singasong2222

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That due to more higher rake or having casino and sports betting?

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11-14-2017 , 07:06 PM

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uradoodooface

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I'm curious how that stock looks in 2 more years. I'm thinking short term mucho bueno, long term Grimstarr giraffe.

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11-14-2017 , 07:46 PM

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Fatboy54

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50 nlz and lower is a complete fishfest...no idea if that is down to the rake changes, but since I'm only a rec, I don't care. It's kinda funny that online poker is improving as a hobby, but probably declining as a career.

It also pretty much completely wipes out some of the articles doing the rounds some years back, that online would just gradually turn into a 100% reg fest...nothing could be further from the truth (again, microstakes zoom, i'll let you know about higher up when I get there...don't hold yer breath).

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11-14-2017 , 09:21 PM

#22

uradoodooface

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Nah, that article is damn near on point in certain markets.

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11-15-2017 , 12:59 AM

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pontylad

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Before us Aussies got banned from Stars I would have gone so far to say that the games were actually softer this year than previous. Lots of regs flat out left, 200-400nl was pretty much a dream, including zoom but there's zero chance this persists. Equilibrium didn't really get reached when i was there and i expect some of the regs that left due to rb cuts will eventually find their way back and notice how much softer the games are now.

That being said rake increases will continue in future until they probably find some equilibrium where it is close to pointless for 99% of regs to play, so any benefits at the moment are almost entirely short term.

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