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08-28-2008, 07:26 PM
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#166
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Ipswich, England
Posts: 203
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Negreanu
I do think younger internet players ARE getting opportunities to be on television, though, more so than at any time before. The NBC heads up has notoriously passed on guys who are more accomplished in tournament poker in favor of an internet hotshot. A guy like Freddy Bonyadi, for example, has won 3 WSOP Bracelets, several WPT final tables and has been a respected cash player for years. He's not in that "in crowd" I guess, so he doesn't have much pull.
So while I totally agree with the sentiment that there is a "club" of tv players that corner the market on tv time, I don't think it's the internet players that are getting the worst of it. The Bonyadi's of the world, they get shafted in terms of opportunity.
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The worst part for the Bonyadi's, is that when he took down that last WSOP bracelet, when TV poker was still booming, only a few hands actually got shown, with all the attention getting thrown onto Johnny Chan. I'm sure someone like him could've got a lot of attention if ESPN had actually showed a skillful bluff and a brilliant laydown, instead of just showing 4bb coinflips.
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08-29-2008, 09:49 PM
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#167
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: improving?
Posts: 1,025
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
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Originally Posted by Pure_Talent
Good reason why so many of these pubescent turds don't have deals with Stars/Full Tilt.
Because of condescending arrogant attitudes that make anyone over the age of 18 want to puke.
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To the best of my knowledge, I dont think either phil galfond or tom dwan are the least bit arrogant. Phil especially seems down to earth, quiet, and not the least bit superior of attitude.
Perhaps sir you should go take your set of Pings BS 1400 golf clubs and continue hacking it up at your local no name country club.
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10-28-2008, 10:27 PM
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#168
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newbie
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 38
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
Found this thread trying to figure out who the hell raul oliveira is, why he's red, and why he's grinding it out every day at my tables.
Had to respond after reading, because the attitudes here from oliver/daniel/others I think are pretty dangerous for the game. Seem that the prevailing consensus is that north american people shouldnt even be considered for sponsorship unless they can somehow "bring in" a massive cult following which hasnt been interested in the game before.
The sites should instead be worried about keeping the enthusiasm of their core demographic as high as possible. Part of the allure of poker is that "anyone can make it". Right now it seems like you cant make it unless you were born outside the USA. We're all pretty well convinced that the game is past its peak, etc... instead of scrabbling for players from bum**** east india, why dont the sites put some money into developing the next generation of poker celebs here and convincing us that good players starting out can still break through and get deals.
Retire 10-15% of your worst performing pros every year, and give some slots to the best people on your site, and promote them as talent developed from play at your tables. Maybe they wont "bring in" any new players, but maybe they'll inspire us all to sit for a few more hours every week - thats worth a lot of money to you as well.
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10-28-2008, 10:30 PM
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#169
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old hand
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Holding Court
Posts: 1,327
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
wow I had to double check to see if that was not my name writing that. word for word how I would have expressed my opinion on the matter
excellent post
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10-28-2008, 10:39 PM
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#170
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: value town
Posts: 6,509
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
it definately is one of the best questions to be asked. especially since phil won the PLO bracelet
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10-28-2008, 10:52 PM
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#171
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old hand
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,628
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Negreanu
My take:
Both guys make a lot of money playing poker. A deal that would please them is likely much bigger than what is being offered to them at the moment.
From a sites perspective, if you are going to sign a player you have to figure out a way for the deal to make sense from a financial perspective, in that, if you sign player X for $250,000 a year, will that player create that much value for the site by bringing in new players?
Signing an online player has limited value. The reason for that, is that an online players fan base likely ALREADY has an account and already plays at the site. When a site considers signing a player they must gauge that players mass appeal on television and to the casual watcher. Being a big name in online poker, or even a player who's gotten some TV time but hasn't found his niche audience, isn't going to demand big bucks from a site.
Both players have potential to make a big splash on television and in live tournaments. Since that hasn't happened yet, it would make more sense for them to wait until their stock price rises rather than selling at a low point.
I'm not speaking for either of them, but I imagine that would be the main reason you don't see them signed to a site. There would certainly be interest in both guys.
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didnt Galfond win a bracelet this year along with durrr FT's the $25k WPT event?
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10-28-2008, 11:25 PM
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#172
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banned
Join Date: May 2006
Location: London
Posts: 112
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Negreanu
Patrik had "Ivey like" qualities as well as other qualities. Including international appeal... oh, and he's dreamy lol. I think it's become the norm now that if you don't think Patrik is good looking, then you are by default, gay? Is that correct, I can't keep up.
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Mr Negrenanu you are amongst friends and can let the mask slip. We know and we don't mind.
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10-29-2008, 03:48 AM
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#173
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See my coaching listing
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,911
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
My question for Daniel Negreanu is are there days where you wish you could just play poker and not say a word if you are being filmed but feel obligated to put on a performance? If they put you on a feature table it seems like you have think of something at all time to make it entertaining but sometimes there's just nothing to say. Do you play the guess what hand my opponent out loud for this reason or do you feel like you get a lot of reads from this? Sometimes it gets annoying but I understand if it's just something to fill up air time.
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10-29-2008, 03:56 AM
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#174
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centurion
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: flying like paper, high like planes
Posts: 144
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
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Originally Posted by automat
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btw - daniels comment made me laugh, too. all this stuff about how contract players have to provide new customers to "their" site - coming from a guy hardly known outside of poker. but w/e.
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My 75 year old grandma knows daniel negreanu, and I quote "[likes] watching him play, and his feminine nature is hilarious."
No offense daniel, her words
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10-29-2008, 11:00 AM
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#175
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old hand
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,795
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
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Originally Posted by iBuddy
Ivey makes a lot of money on stock per month.....its a sick number too
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Past tense now i'd imagine.
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10-29-2008, 11:16 AM
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#176
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newbie
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 49
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
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Originally Posted by iBuddy
Ivey makes a lot of money on stock per month.....its a sick number too
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haven't you watched the news lately, m8?
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11-20-2008, 02:59 AM
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#177
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enthusiast
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 96
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
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Originally Posted by molo
haven't you watched the news lately, m8?
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uhm...there isnt stock in FT, its not a publicly traded company. its privately owned.
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11-22-2008, 10:18 AM
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#178
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enthusiast
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 57
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
Be honest, if you were selling a show to NBC and said you have two shows to sell, either: A) the 6 best internet players rated by pocketfives, or B) Scotty Nguyen, Sammy Farha, Phil Hellmuth, Jennifer Harman, Phil Laak, and Shawn Shiekhan... would it be remotely close who you chose in terms of ratings?[/QUOTE]
I would rather see 6 of the best internet players play, because alternetive B is we have seen a 100 times + 3-4 of them are really boring players to watch.
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11-22-2008, 10:42 AM
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#179
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newbie
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 46
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
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Be honest, if you were selling a show to NBC and said you have two shows to sell, either: A) the 6 best internet players rated by pocketfives, or B) Scotty Nguyen, Sammy Farha, Phil Hellmuth, Jennifer Harman, Phil Laak, and Shawn Shiekhan... would it be remotely close who you chose in terms of ratings?
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I would rather see 6 of the best internet players play, because alternetive B is we have seen a 100 times + 3-4 of them are really boring players to watch.
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this is all obv but i have to say it anyway. Harman=may be boring. The rest=not. Known live players (with any personality) will blow internet players out of the water any day when it comes to ratings
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07-29-2009, 12:31 PM
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#180
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: table hoping
Posts: 776
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Re: Why Durr/Galfond aren't signed?
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Originally Posted by UATrewqaz
The key to a sponsorship deal is not how good you are in poker, it's how marketable you are.
That's why WSOP ME winners and random girls get deals and far superior random guy players don't.
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