Just curious why people think that these two guys, who are not only popular and well-known in the virtual world, but also who have many live successes haven't been picked up ? Other smaller names have all ready become red on FTP -- why haven't they?

I suppose it's because they are asking for more than just the standard 35/hr + 100% rb, but it's not like they are restricted to just playing on FTP (see CR Pros), so any thoughts?

If I was them I'd want a PA type deal with partnership options.

What kind of deal did PA get?

I imagine durrrr wants a bigger deal. He's worn the FTP patch before, so I doubt it has anything to do with him not wanting to brand himself.

Question, is there at all any confirmation that every pro is making $35/h? My suspicion is that every contract is different. I can't see Phil Ivey only making 35 dollars an hour playing.

He's not just a red pro, he's a team member. He's making much much more money than someone like David Benyamine (who should be a team member, wtf full tilt?).

Ivey is not just a red pro, he's a team member.

I think "friends of Full Tilt" make 35/h + 100% rakeback. I could be way wrong though.

ivey is on the 'team' so hes makng a ton more. rumors are that team get percent ownership of full tilt. who knows

I wonder how much they are losing in rakeback, because they are not part of the FTP-team.

That should be enough reason for those guys to sign with FTP, but apparently they don't really need extra cash?! wtf.

Dear God I hope this is a level.

That would make a lot more sense. I don't think they have a standard contract they just hand out to every red pro. David Benyamine shouldn't have the same hourly wage as Beth Shak, and I don't think he would accept that.

So you don't think it's not good idea to get as much money as possible? We are talking about tens of thousands a year.

Let's face it. Duuurr isn't enough popular to be promoted a full tilt memeber just yet IMO. Galfond I don't know.

The 35/h + 100% rb is the min which i assume extends to most of the "friends", I hope the pay scale slides within the friends but it obv does for the team.

If the point is to get as much money as possible as you say they should, then the rakeback + 35/h is an awful deal for Tom and Phil. You talk about some ten thousand/year for signing with a pokersite - thats is pretty bad compared to what they should get. Both of them are worth more in marketing than say 20K for a whole year.

if they play 40hrs/week its still 72k at the end of the year, i mean its better than nothing... even thought these guys can bluff more than that in a single hand...

Ivey makes a lot of money on stock per month.....its a sick number too