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dirtydiana73 · 03-10-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by myggenx

If PS uses your arguments and apply them aswell to the LOSING underage players, it's fine by me. The reason why this case is annoying, is because PS is only doing this for profit/(marketing) and not on principal. Because in principal, it doesn't matter if an underage gambler lost 10$ or won 500k$, the deposits should in both cases be refunded and no winnings paid.

These kids make a CONSCIOUS decision to play underage knowing they break the rules. When a minor buys alcohol or cigarettes do you really think they give them their money back after being caught?!?!? OFCOURSE NOT! If anything they are prosecuted. You make it sound like these kids are innocent and unknowledgable about what they are doing. THAT IS THE FARTHEST THING FROM THE TRUTH!

battster41 · 03-10-2011, 02:19 PM

WT F is everyone talking about!!? Jesus! There is no argument. He broke the rules willingly and knowing. That's it. Period. And with stars trying to get regulated in the US market this will not look good to say the least. Of course this is most likely the biggest prize someone who played underage has ever won and has received the most scrutiny of course. So stars HAS to act in accordance with their polices OR they lose all credibility. I don't know what this fool was thinking. I am not a hater and yea it's going to suck for him but wt f was he thinking? Or am i hater after that idiot almost f%$^ed up the FT deal? :-))

dirtlad · 03-10-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BartJ385

You say my statement is dumb, but nothing in your post contradicts it. PS does nothing to stop underaged players from playing. If I were underaged and saw that it takes a scandal like this before an underaged player gets caught, I would say 'cool, I can play, no danger'.

The police and government in my country do nothing to stop speeding in my country, other than outlining through laws that if you are caught, there are are series of fines in place, which may lead to suspension of privileges. Oh, and there might be some sort of test you have to pass, both written and practical. Not to say that warnings might be issued in some cases, and in some cases there might not be consistency in the application of the law. But hey, its government. And all government is shady and corrupt. Therefore, my government does nothing to stop speeding.

Andro · 03-10-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by myggenx

If PS uses your arguments and apply them aswell to the LOSING underage players, it's fine by me. The reason why this case is annoying, is because PS is only doing this for profit/(marketing) and not on principal. Because in principal, it doesn't matter if an underage gambler lost 10$ or won 500k$, the deposits should in both cases be refunded and no winnings paid.

That is just retarded logic.

If Stars should give money back to all underage people who lost money, everyone could just take their entire roll to a nosebleed table, and if they lost they could borrow ID from a 17 year old and claim their money back.

Giving underage people a freeroll for all their money is not the way to prevent them from playing.

frankvdg · 03-10-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by myggenx

If PS uses your arguments and apply them aswell to the LOSING underage players, it's fine by me. The reason why this case is annoying, is because PS is only doing this for profit/(marketing) and not on principal. Because in principal, it doesn't matter if an underage gambler lost 10$ or won 500k$, the deposits should in both cases be refunded and no winnings paid.

So you think stars is happy with this?

dirtydiana73 · 03-10-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BartJ385

You say my statement is dumb, but nothing in your post contradicts it. PS does nothing to stop underaged players from playing. If I were underaged and saw that it takes a scandal like this before an underaged player gets caught, I would say 'cool, I can play, no danger'.

What do you think the T&C is there for????? It SPECIFICALLY states noone under the age of 18 may play on this site. When they catch minors playing they suspend acounts and take the money away. And if I am not mistaken it isnt PokerStars responsibility to parent these kids.... it is the ACTUAL PARENTS THEMSELVES who should be more focused on what their kids are doing with their time. Is it Budweiser's fault if a kid get drunk with their beer and he is under 21?!?!?! NO!! A parent should be pounding into a kids mind what is right and what is wrong and it is finally up to the kid himself to decide. If the kid decides to break the law he suffers the consequences.

kk405 · 03-10-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by apefish

Because you don't take 2500 players' buyins out of the poker economy and give it to charity if you decide the account that finished in that place doesn't deserve it. There's a clear remedy for any player who finishes in the money but is subsequently denied their winnings from it.

It gets into one of the few areas where I think the part about "Stars took his money and let him play" actually should apply. They took all of those other buyins to be distributed in the prize pool. If they want to donate the $215 by the account they close to a charity fine. If they want to make some goodwill gesture to charity on top of it, fine.

There's a reasonable chance that quote was completely made up or someone talking who shouldn't have said anything. But there was a zoo thread recently that claimed the exact same thing happened to his account. So I thought I'd say something.

This...

also, didn't this happen at one of the WCOOP Main Events a while back? the one Vanessa Russo finished third, I think and everyone in the tourney was bumped up one notch when the winner was disqualified?

dirtydiana73 · 03-10-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by battster41

WT F is everyone talking about!!? Jesus! There is no argument. He broke the rules willingly and knowing. That's it. Period. And with stars trying to get regulated in the US market this will not look good to say the least. Of course this is most likely the biggest prize someone who played underage has ever won and has received the most scrutiny of course. So stars HAS to act in accordance with their polices OR they lose all credibility. I don't know what this fool was thinking. I am not a hater and yea it's going to suck for him but wt f was he thinking? Or am i hater after that idiot almost f%$^ed up the FT deal? :-))

By the by.... I played at your table early in the tournament. Nice score. I missed out on cashing but my roommate cashed.

busto23 · 03-10-2011, 02:55 PM

Question is if they bump everyone up, the 10th place who would have been at the final table and would have gotten in on the deal, how much should that person get?

BartJ385 · 03-10-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtlad

The police and ...

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Originally Posted by dirtydiana73

What do you think the T&C is there for?????...

You two are joking, right?

I said it before, but will say it again - the idea is to prevent underaged players from losing their parents' money at the tables, not to protect the legal players from underaged players.
PokerStars does nothing to prevent underaged players from playing other than telling them that they really really shouldn't do it, and banning them when they catch them by sheer coincidence.
PokerStars (and almost every other room, of course) could do much more. They could require a photo ID from every player before they can play for money. It is just a start, but better than doing nothing. Which is what they are doing at the moment.

poker edge · 03-10-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by teddyFBI

Cliff's for anyone new:

- Kid binks a 500K tourney score after registering as a 19 years old (when he's 17)
- Dutch website (prob in spam-mode) falsifies a claim that Stars has officially DQ's the kid and confiscated his winnings
- PS rep posts ITT that Dutch website is FOS and that no decision has been made.
- Thread rockets way to 700+ posts without anyone making a better post than teddyFBI here.

Wait wat? I thought it was confirmed pokerstars wasn't going to pay the kid, posted by a guy itt with a link. When did PS rep post itt saying no decision had been made?

pkz · 03-10-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BartJ385

Exactly. And it was/is the responsibility of PokerStars to prevent it. But they don't care. And now they are looking for an easy way out of a situation that their negligence caused.

+1.

PokerStars welcomes underaged players, because they create rake like everyone else. Now let them clean up that mess.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the kid can't and won't get any money. But if PokerStars don't start taking their responibilities more seriously, their shady business should be shut down once and for all.

How about people assume some personal responsibility instead of putting everything on the other party.
Ohhh yes officer, i realize i was breaking the law, but i haven't been caught before so therefore it seems a bit harsh to arrest me now for it. what? i have to give back the money i gained from it? seems a bit unfair. boohoo!! it is your job to stop me from committing crime and you haven't caught me before so it is all your fault.
btw, i actually don't have any moral problem with it, and as far as i'm concerned i wouldn't care if he was able to keep the money. however, once the story becomes public this is obviously impossible for so many reasons.
gaming license, legalization in us, respect for toc etc.
the whole argument about them not having paid him had he lost and gotten caught is ridicolous. using that logic people who get caught colluding could ask for money if they were running bad and were losing when they got caught. if you would have stopped me from colluding like you are supposed to i would not have lost this money etc.

zoe. · 03-10-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WAtR

Nobody is arguing that he did not break the terms of service. Nobody is arguing that Stars cannot keep the money. The question is, what is the right thing for Stars to do?

It comes down to personal opinion and compassion. He did compete on a level playing field and he did finish in the money. He should be paid.

Actually I think lots of people would argue that Stars CANNOT keep the money.

richNYC · 03-10-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by moultonlava

If you are a twenty year old american you should think twice before winning a big tourny.

In most US states the age of majority is 18. This is independent of other age limits (e.g. casino gambling, purchasing alcohol).

zoe. · 03-10-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by poker edge

Wait wat? I thought it was confirmed pokerstars wasn't going to pay the kid, posted by a guy itt with a link. When did PS rep post itt saying no decision had been made?

It was stated in a BS story that it was confirmed. It hasn't actually been confirmed.