No, actually, he has the right to participate and also to whine about how he is treated. "We" all have the right to not care about or even read his opinion if we so choose, but nobody has the right to berate him for thinking that he has the right to participate in a conversation that is taking place in a public space, regardless of the actual merit (or lack) of his contributions,
you can't just be a dick to somebody because you don't respect them, that's abusive.

Please remember that everybody has to follow the rules of the forum. Rule Number One is quite simple:

Keep your posts respectful and don’t insult/attack/threaten/flame other posters or poker players.

Post deletions and infractions/bans are always at the ready.

Go back and read how it started, the guy replied to a thread I haven't posted in for over a year and called me out by name and ended with "how stupid is he (me)". If someone "participated" in a conversation like that to my face I would be very abusive indeed.

Where are we, as "noise/rabble" allowed to say what we think? Is there a sub-forum for that? I haven't read everything he wrote, but from what I did read, he seems like he doesn't know how to talk to people and probably gets told to go **** himself on a regular basis (sorry bro, it's true); Yeah, all his post could be deleted based on his tone, but he's not eavesdropping on a private conversation, and while your opinion of him is certainly your right to express, and it is also your right to tell this person to go **** themselves as you see fit to do so, they nevertheless have the right to try to talk about what you have written here and "calling you out by name" while certainly, on many levels, rude and inappropriate, seems like an unfair standard since you are the one who, after the fact, arbitrarily chooses what is in the public and private domain based on how it makes you feel. Now, this is just my opinion, but suffering the stupidity of fools is the price you pay for living in public and holding conversations in public places. Perhaps you feel differently.

Well look I mean I don't really agree with some of what you are saying but you are thoughtful and articulate and I have no issue disagreeing. Nor am I particularly thin skinned, if I post strategy in one of the poker forums here and someone replies and tells me "you are totally wrong here's why you are an idiot" I'm not going to tell them "**** off and don't post here" no matter if they convince me or not. But when someone tells you you are an idiot because a hurtful bad thing happened to you that's where I draw the line. And yes I have been around here a long time, I get that it's NVG and it comes with the territory. But he better be ready to have it pushed back toward him. And I know it's impossible to tell tone and stuff here but I'm really not that upset, the financial stuff happened a long time ago, life goes on. I just enjoy getting into it with someone that's both cocky and wrong, probably my least favorite combo in a person.

If anything I think DD should be applauded for the civility of his posts given how incredibly stupid and wrong half the opinions or "views" posted in this thread are.

Here's a transcript of how the thread should read... "Mike owes lots of money but is worn in to pay it off". DD: he owes a ton of money and hasn't played anything. Posters: I'm sorry to hear that, good luck getting your moeny back. End of thread.

Having the opinion that you shouldn't loan money is just naive and impractical. Having thre opinion that sowmbkdy ever deserves to get burned on a loan is just mean and absurdly stupid.

It doesn't matter why DD loaned the money, be it as a personal favor to a friend or because he thought he would win more than he would get stiffed for, further it doesnt matter if dD is the nicest guy in he world or the biggest ass in the world (he's actually very nice to play with).. All that matters is he loaned somebody moeny and dwarves to be paid back every dollar. I can't imagine ever thinking anyone deserves to get robbed, which is essentially what happened

Yea it's easy for small stakes players to say never loan money, but high stakes games are played high enough where it's sometimes difficult to have enough ready chips/cash for the games you want to play. You try to use good judgement, when someone has been a standup person you treat them differently than you treat known scumbags. When someone has acted like a standup person for a long period and then suddenly blows off debts it's shocking.

One of my few high stakes stories. A few years ago a guy i never met before wanted to play 75/150 holdem but needed me to front him cash. He knew a friend of mine who vouched for him and so I loan him $10K that night. I don't get home and to sleep till 7 am, at 9 am i'm woken up by my phone. He says he went to bank and has my money and wants to pay me now. I tell him no big deal i can get it later, he demands i see him right away so i have to drive across town right then and he makes me count it twice before he lets me leave. I see him all the time now and pretty sure he's a standup guy who has never stiffed anyone ever.

Haha I remember this guy. I was at the Venetian playing 1/2 (baller status) December 2009. He went from table to table going all in blind for $100 for a full orbit before moving onto the next. If he won he'd let it all ride until his orbit was completed. I remember getting stacked QQ vs AA vs crazy mike. Dealers all said he was a trust fund kid and thinking back on it, that's all I can imagine unless 2p2 divulged the real story. Winning poker players don't really ever do what he did.

Look, I understand that he "called you by name" and mostly just got the battering he deserved for the oafish way he put his opinions to you, but could you agree that he had the right to have and to choose to express that opinion even if he knew it might get the reaction it did? I'm not saying you deserve to endure imbeciles or are required to have to take their criticisms with gentle good humor simply because you are not an anonymous member, but you can't just tell him this is none of his business, you opened the door to him expressing his opinion by posting here, imo.

Thank you. I was banging my head against the wall reading this thread.

MR gatorade/ I love pepsi/thorpie?// is a total waste of life.

It would be a Christmas miracle if his face got bashed in.

Remember DD,, He has to live with himself.

Terrible at fixed limit huhu and a coward.

This is an absurd analogy for starters. The ridiculous interest rates account for all the people that burn the CC companies while also making it impossible for some people to ever get out of debt.

I don't know how you make the jump from there to if you let someone borrow money you deserve to get it stolen because the person borrowing is bad at poker.

Also saying that somebody is partially responsible for getting stiffed and saying that person deserves to get stiffed because they undertook a risk is completely different.

I'm not sure what gives you this idea. I have played in licensed, regulated mixed games where I was the only player in the game with chips and every other player was literally writing their balance on a cocktail napkin after every hand they played.

If anyone in those games didn't think that Mike was a tremendous losing player with a gambling addiction, then they were ignorant or willfully blind. I have no doubt there were tons of texts and phone calls behind his back about how horrible he was while you pretended to be his friend at dinners and at the table. The people who loaned him money and called him friend to his face and laughed at him behind his back are predators. Anything for a buck though, right? No doubt they won most of the money they lent him back and are now mad they didn't get double while driving a degenerate further into bankruptcy.

At least he has the (very slight) excuse that he is an addict that needs treatment. If you called this guy your friend and proceeded to strip every dollar he had from him and another million that he didn't from him, how do you? I think for most of these predators, their only friend is money.

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Tongni: I'm not going into details but the narrative you are describing simply wasn't what happened. I have a list a mile long of guys I loaned to at the poker table that ended up not paying it back. And I'm sure some of the guys mike owes do fall into that category. But I don't and that's that.

Lars: I am not articulate enough to precisely describe how little I care about your opinion of me

Care to get a bit more specific ? Sounds kind of unlikely to me for a licensed, regulated game. Did they shove those cocktail napkins into the pot ?

(I've played in games like that, but they were private games. There was also a secondary market in markers after the game. Some players' negative balances were sold at a discount.)

Wait, are we talking about the 2016 election or predatory lending ?

Lars, where is all this clean poker money you see and how does one distinguish it from the unclean and wrongly gotten money that comes from all the fools and gambling addicts?

I'll try to keep this short since it has little to nothing to do with Crazy Mike specifically.

The games where this most frequently happened are probably just like you would imagine they would be and often functioned just like your experiences in home games probably did. The specific cocktail napkin game in question was at one of the larger LA cardrooms and felt more like a home game than a public game in that unless you were part of the "in" crowd, you were never getting a seat in the game because it was going to start at X time/day with Y players, and nobody was leaving until the game was over. Debts in the high stakes world are regularly bought and sold as you describe, regardless of how the debt originated.

Obviously the practice of allowing a player to play "open" (continue to play with no chips in front of them) and recording balances in your phone notes, sheet of paper, cocktail napkin, etc, is not allowed. Neither is just pushing a player some chips from your stack to allow them to keep playing. Casinos also don't allow booking/crossbooking, props, or any other form of gambling not provided by the casino. All these things happen anyway.

I never realized that interest-free loans that don't require putting up any collateral or cosigner are predatory. You teach us something every day about the strange world you inhabit in your mind.

I have also been victimized by psychopaths only to have people smugly and contemptuously tell me or insinuate that I brought it on myself or something to that effect and that is, in and of itself, actually more painful and damaging than what the psychos' do, imo. It's just really, really ****ing ****ty and totally inappropriate, unhelpful and insensitive in any context. It's incredibly painful to have defend yourself and "answer for" the aftermath of having somebody cannibalize your life because you "didn't make them not do that". Nobody deserves that, and I'm sorry I chose to look past that to defend an insensitive clod.

I assume you've seen Full metal jacket? I post with the "understanding" that I'm handing out the "bars of soap" that will end up in all those towels that are going to be raining blows upon me when "they" eventually find anything like a doughnut in my locker...so please forgive me for my insensitivity, I simply no longer have the capacity to appreciate what it's like to, on an emotional level, still be able to expect people on the internet to not abuse me simply because that would hurt my feelings.

I loaned Mike money in spite of playing cash game with him maybe once or twice ever...how dumb/naive/rich/young was I??

yes you do.

and lying about your military service is dishonorable as well.

coward.

Crazy Mike is a mentally ill, very anoying sucker, scammer and loser in life who has lost a fortune in Las Vegas poker games.

People put up with his antics to a degree because he is a big loser at poker.

Sometimes the players play Mike Says, allowing him to add or delete mixed games at will.

The biggest problem is that Crazy Mike borrows money (or trys to bet backed) giving payment promises he can't keep without getting incredibly lucky

.. in short, this makes him a scammer who is beating people out of money and time with false promises.

Beware of financial dealings with this con. Mike has screwed many people out of money and will most likely do the same to you.

I miss the times when people would refer to one's poker playing ability as "his game"