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06-23-2010 , 07:24 PM
So, Late may, I play off the rest of my BR at UB. I sit at 1-2nl holdem, where Tiffany Michelle is seated. Figuring this was my last effort before the UIGEA, I wanted to experience playing vs. a pro. But my "Pro" experience didn't go like I imagined.

I get involved in a hand which is bolded, with a user that is oddly preselecting his decisions. I make a terrible play and lose a good amount of my initial buy in.

What made me suspicious, was this player, was using all "preselections," and made decisions at Hyper Speed(For those unaware UB HH display whether an action was "preselected")

Very odd, especially at those stakes. I berate the chat, asking him how it's even possible that he "Preselects" allin b/c of how fast he re reraised the pot. My friend who is logged on and watching from his house, witness's this, and starts chiming in...

...The very next hand, Tiffany and the Villian both sit out and leave the table. Not only that, but I look up PTR, and this person ONLY played that day, the 23rd.


Watch the hand where he played a different heads up session w/ Tiffany Michelle and lost his BR betting his j2 into her nut str8, right after my encounter....
http://www.pokertableratings.com/abs...s/rohitchaubey

After he his HU cash game session with Tiffany M, This player was never seen or heard from again....

I don't know how to import hands to make them easier to read.. Any help is appreciated. The hands you see are the entire session. What do you make of this?


Most of the hands are irrelevent except for the bolded portion.

Spoiler:
Stage #C18603644: Holdem No Limit $2 - 2010-05-23 16:32:25.004 (ET) [ 2010-05-23 16:32:25 ]
Table: MACBETH Dr.6 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - TIFFANY M ($240.85 in chips)
Seat 7 - HOWDUCALLTHAT ($200 in chips)
Seat 3 - TOOKOOL ($40 in chips)
Seat 4 - ROHITCHAUBEY ($40 in chips)
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Posts small blind $1
TOOKOOL09 - Posts big blind $2
ROHITCHAUBEY - Posts $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to TOOKOOL [7d 5d]
ROHITCHAUBEY - Checks
TIFFANY M - Folds
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Calls $1
TOOKOOL - Checks
*** FLOP *** [Js Qh 2h]
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Checks
TOOKOOL - Checks
ROHITCHAUBEY - Checks (Preselection)
*** TURN *** [Js Qh 2h] [3h]
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Checks
TOOKOOL - Checks
ROHITCHAUBEY - Bets $2 (Preselection)
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Folds
TOOKOOL - Folds (Preselection)
ROHITCHAUBEY - returned ($2) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ROHITCHAUBEY - Does not show
ROHITCHAUBEY Collects $5.70 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($6) | Rake ($0.30)
Board [Js Qh 2h 3h]

Stage #C18605527: Holdem No Limit $2 - 2010-05-23 16:33:54.006 (ET) [ 2010-05-23 16:33:54 ]
Table: MACBETH Dr.6 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 7 - HOWDUCALLTHAT ($200 in chips)
Seat 3 - TOOKOOL ($38 in chips)
Seat 4 - ROHITCHAUBEY ($43.70 in chips)
Seat 5 - TIFFANY M ($240.85 in chips)
Seat 6 - MARTY113 ($40 in chips)
TOOKOOL - Posts small blind $1
ROHITCHAUBEY - Posts big blind $2
MARTY113 - sitout (wait for BB)
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to TOOKOOL [6c 9h]
TIFFANY M - Folds
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Raises $7 to $7
TOOKOOL- Folds
ROHITCHAUBEY - Calls $5
*** FLOP *** [7c Qs Ad]
ROHITCHAUBEY - Checks
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Bets $2
ROHITCHAUBEY - Calls $2
*** TURN *** [7c Qs Ad] [7h]
ROHITCHAUBEY - Checks
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Checks
*** RIVER *** [7c Qs Ad 7h] [7s]
ROHITCHAUBEY - Bets $2
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Raises $18 to $18
ROHITCHAUBEY - Folds
HOWDUCALLTHAT - returned ($16) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Does not show
HOWDUCALLTHAT Collects $21.85 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($23) | Rake ($1.15)
Board [7c Qs Ad 7h 7s]
Seat 3: TOOKOOL (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: ROHITCHAUBEY (big blind) Folded on the RIVER
Seat 5: TIFFANY M Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: HOWDUCALLTHAT (dealer) collected Total ($21.85) HI$21.85) [Does not show]


Stage #C18607389: Holdem No Limit $2 - 2010-05-23 16:35:19.712 (ET) [ 2010-05-23 16:35:19 ]
Table: MACBETH Dr.6 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - TOOKOOL ($37 in chips)
Seat 4 - ROHITCHAUBEY ($32.70 in chips)
Seat 5 - TIFFANY M ($240.85 in chips)
Seat 7 - HOWDUCALLTHAT ($210.85 in chips)
Seat 9 - SCARROLL666 ($40 in chips)
ROHITCHAUBEY - Posts small blind $1
TIFFANY M - Posts big blind $2
SCARROLL666 - Posts $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to TOOKOOL [2d 9d]
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Folds
SCARROLL666 - Checks
TOOKOOL - Folds
ROHITCHAUBEY - Folds (Preselection)
TIFFANY M - Checks
*** FLOP *** [Kh 10c Qh]
TIFFANY M - Checks
SCARROLL666 - Checks
*** TURN *** [Kh 10c Qh] [Kc]
TIFFANY M - Checks
SCARROLL666 - Bets $2
TIFFANY M - Folds
SCARROLL666 - returned ($2) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SCARROLL666 - Does not show
SCARROLL666 Collects $4.75 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($5) | Rake ($0.25)
Board [Kh 10c Qh Kc]
Seat 3: TOOKOOL09 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: ROHITCHAUBEY (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: TIFFANY M (big blind) Folded on the TURN
Seat 7: HOWDUCALLTHAT Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: SCARROLL666 collected Total ($4.75) HI$4.75) [Does not show]

Stage #C18608163: Holdem No Limit $2 - 2010-05-23 16:35:55.713 (ET) [ 2010-05-23 16:35:55 ]
Table: MACBETH Dr.6 (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - ROHITCHAUBEY ($31.70 in chips)
Seat 5 - TIFFANY M ($238.85 in chips)
Seat 6 - MARTY113 ($40 in chips)
Seat 7 - HOWDUCALLTHAT ($210.85 in chips)
Seat 9 - SCARROLL666 ($42.75 in chips)
Seat 3 - TOOKOOL ($37 in chips)
TIFFANY M - Posts small blind $1
MARTY113 - Posts big blind $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to TOOKOOL [8c 3h]
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Raises $7 to $7
SCARROLL666 - Calls $7
TOOKOOL09 - Folds
ROHITCHAUBEY - Folds (Preselection)
TIFFANY M - Raises $11 to $12
MARTY113 - Folds (Preselection)
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Calls $5
SCARROLL666 - Calls $5
*** FLOP *** [As Ad Kc]
TIFFANY M - Checks
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Checks
SCARROLL666 - Bets $19
TIFFANY M - Folds
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Folds
SCARROLL666 - returned ($19) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SCARROLL666 - Does not show
SCARROLL666 Collects $36.10 from main pot
Stage #C18609173: Holdem No Limit $2 - 2010-05-23 16:36:44.011 (ET) [ 2010-05-23 16:36:44 ]
Table: MACBETH Dr.6 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - TIFFANY M ($226.85 in chips)
Seat 6 - MARTY113 ($38 in chips)
Seat 7 - HOWDUCALLTHAT ($200 in chips)
Seat 9 - SCARROLL666 ($66.85 in chips)
Seat 3 - TOOKOOL ($37 in chips)
Seat 4 - ROHITCHAUBEY ($31.70 in chips)
MARTY113 - Posts small blind $1
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Posts big blind $2


*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to TOOKOOL [2h 2s]
SCARROLL666 - Folds
TOOKOOL09 - Calls $2
ROHITCHAUBEY - Raises $4 to $4 (Preselection)
TIFFANY M - Folds
MARTY113 - Folds
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Calls $2
TOOKOOL - Calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Ah Ks 6h]
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Checks
TOOKOOL - Checks
ROHITCHAUBEY - Bets $2
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Folds
TOOKOOL - Calls $2
*** TURN *** [Ah Ks 6h] [5c]
TOOKOOL - Checks
ROHITCHAUBEY - Bets $2
TOOKOOL - Calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Ah Ks 6h 5c] [As]
TOOKOOL - Bets $12
ROHITCHAUBEY - All-In(Raise) $23.70 to $23.70 (Preselection)
TOOKOOL - Folds (Fold & show [2h 2s])
ROHITCHAUBEY - returned ($11.70) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ROHITCHAUBEY - Does not show
ROHITCHAUBEY Collects $42.75 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($45) | Rake ($2.25)
Board [Ah Ks 6h 5c As]
Seat 3: TOOKOOL Folded on the RIVER
Seat 4: ROHITCHAUBEY collected Total ($42.75) All-In HI$42.75) [Does not show]
Seat 5: TIFFANY M (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: MARTY113 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: HOWDUCALLTHAT (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 9: SCARROLL666 Folded on the POCKET CARDS


I would like to add that I stopped and let my whole time bank run at as I chastized this player for looking like a bot with his preselections, and the very next hand they both LEAVE....
The HH doesn't include Chat. I emailed UB and got a transcript from the Chat.
Quote:
05/23,16:26:37 - TOOKOOL09:hey tiffany
GameType = Holdem, Hand Number = 0018602572, Table No = 0021662281
File = MSG20100523\17_0018602572_0021662281.MSG
05/23,16:32:20 - TOOKOOL09:Tiff, who's playin on ur name today?
GameType = Holdem, Hand Number = 0018605527, Table No = 0021662281
File = MSG20100523\17_0018605527_0021662281.MSG
05/23,16:33:56 - LONNIEJOHNS5:hamlet
05/23,16:34:17 - TOOKOOL09:2 the end
GameType = Holdem, Hand Number = 0018609173, Table No = 0021662281
File = MSG20100523\17_0018609173_0021662281.MSG
05/23,16:38:25 - TOOKOOL09:how did u insta all in?
GameType = Holdem, Hand Number = 0018611363, Table No = 0021662281
File = MSG20100523\17_0018611363_0021662281.MSG
05/23,16:38:34 - TOOKOOL09n my raise?
05/23,16:38:38 - TOOKOOL09:thats impossible?
05/23,16:38:59 - TOOKOOL09:there is no option for insta all in ontop of a raise
05/23,16:39:10 - LONNIEJOHNS5:lol
05/23,16:39:14 - LONNIEJOHNS5:snap allin
05/23,16:39:16 - TOOKOOL09:seriously u see that?
05/23,16:39:23 - TOOKOOL09:insta all in on my raise?
05/23,16:39:40 - TOOKOOL09:then he leaves?
05/23,16:39:47 - TOOKOOL09:uh oh

GameType = Holdem, Hand Number = 0018613168, Table No = 0021662281
File = MSG20100523\17_0018613168_0021662281.MSG
05/23,16:40:17 - LONNIEJOHNS5:insta gone
05/23,16:40:20 - TOOKOOL09:wow
05/23,16:40:22 - LONNIEJOHNS5:with ur loot
05/23,16:40:31 - LONNIEJOHNS5:tiffanys buyins
05/23,16:40:32 - LONNIEJOHNS5:lol
05/23,16:40:33 - TOOKOOL09:and tiffany m sits out right then
05/23,16:40:35 - LONNIEJOHNS5:house

Stage #C18611363: Holdem No Limit $2 - 2010-05-23 16:38:26.013 (ET) [ 2010-05-23 16:38:26 ]
Table: MACBETH Dr.6 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - MARTY113 ($37 in chips)
Seat 7 - HOWDUCALLTHAT ($200 in chips)
Seat 8 - MACPHEEACE ($40 in chips)
Seat 9 - SCARROLL666 ($66.85 in chips)
Seat 1 - ENIGMATISM ($89.14 in chips)
Seat 2 - COZMO21 ($200 in chips)
Seat 3 - TOOKOOL ($17 in chips)
Seat 4 - ROHITCHAUBEY ($54.45 in chips)
Seat 5 - TIFFANY M ($226.85 in chips)
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Posts small blind $1
MACPHEEACE - Posts big blind $2
ENIGMATISM - Posts $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to TOOKOOL09 [4d Jc]
SCARROLL666 - Calls $2
ENIGMATISM - Checks
TOOKOOL - Folds (Preselection)
ROHITCHAUBEY - Folds (Preselection)
TIFFANY M - Folds (Timeout)
MARTY113 - Calls $2
HOWDUCALLTHAT - Folds (Preselection)
MACPHEEACE - Checks
*** FLOP *** [7h 8h 5h]
MACPHEEACE - Checks
SCARROLL666 - Bets $4.50
ENIGMATISM - Folds
MARTY113 - Folds (Preselection)
MACPHEEACE - Folds
SCARROLL666 - returned ($4.50) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SCARROLL666 - Does not show
SCARROLL666 Collects $8.55 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($9) | Rake ($0.45)
Board [7h 8h 5h]
Seat 1: ENIGMATISM Folded on the FLOP
Seat 3: TOOKOOL Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: ROHITCHAUBEY Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: TIFFANY M Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: MARTY113 (dealer) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 7: HOWDUCALLTHAT (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 8: MACPHEEACE (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 9: SCARROLL666 collected Total ($8.55) HI$8.55) [Does not show]
################################################## ##############################################
Stage #C18613168: Holdem No Limit $2 - 2010-05-23 16:39:53.000 (ET) [ 2010-05-23 16:39:53 ]
Table: MACBETH Dr.6 (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 7 - HOWDUCALLTHAT ($200 in chips)
Seat 8 - MACPHEEACE ($38 in chips)
Seat 9 - SCARROLL666 ($73.40 in chips)
Seat 1 - ENIGMATISM ($87.14 in chips)
Seat 2 - HOTSAUCE18 ($200 in chips)
Seat 3 - TOOKOOL ($17 in chips)
Seat 6 - MARTY113 ($35 in chips)[/QUOTE]

Last edited by tk1133; 06-23-2010 at 07:38 PM.
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06-23-2010 , 07:27 PM
ban
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06-23-2010 , 07:31 PM
snap allin
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06-23-2010 , 07:32 PM
insta ship
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06-23-2010 , 07:34 PM
inb4?
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06-23-2010 , 07:38 PM
You play at UB and then complain it is rigged. You mate with no due respect are a moran.
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06-23-2010 , 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blocka
You play at UB and then complain it is rigged. You mate with no due respect are a moran.
That wasn't an example of "Rigged." Ask the fella's in the Rigged Debate...This was "something," but not sure what. And yes, I concurr, I am a moron for playing there, and I accept that....I'm not complaining about losing the money, I just think something odd happened...principle..

Preselectaments....
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06-23-2010 , 07:41 PM
bots suck + you lost to a bot = ?
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06-23-2010 , 07:42 PM
lol preselection
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06-23-2010 , 07:51 PM
LOL at "Very odd, especially at those stakes."
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06-23-2010 , 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk1133
I just think something odd happened...principle..

Preselectaments....
Something odd happened, maybe it didnt. Either way and you wont find much sympathy here for playing on that site.

You shouldnt be concerned because you shouldnt be susprised.

Did you get colluded against? Did you get bot attacked? Packet sniffed?

Who knows. If you play on that site, you are taking a major risk and have no right to complain about anything shady that happens.

BTW, some pros on Fulltilt and Stars can often be found playing pretty low stakes.
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06-23-2010 , 07:54 PM
I dont think she is as good as everyone makes out
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06-23-2010 , 07:54 PM
can't make informed decision without more hands
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06-23-2010 , 07:57 PM
You should have done a hell of a lot more of this "Seat 3: TOOKOOL Folded on the POCKET CARDS"
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06-23-2010 , 07:57 PM
gtf to bbv
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06-23-2010 , 07:57 PM
He's not reraising all in..

He's minraising... that just happens to put him all in.

ROHITCHAUBEY - Raises $2 to $4 (Preselection)

ROHITCHAUBEY - All-In(Raise) $11.70 to $23.70 (Preselection)

He minraised twice in the hand. Now if there is a preselection for a minraise, then there is your answer champ. Not that hard to figure out..
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06-23-2010 , 08:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk1133
I sit at 1-2nl holdem, where Tiffany Michelle is seated. Figuring this was my last effort before the UIGEA, I wanted to experience playing vs. a pro.
I lol'd at this for multiple reasons.
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06-23-2010 , 08:06 PM
yeah im not sure of how the buttons are on UB cuz the sites a piece of **** and i dont play there but stars has a raise any button and since he had less than double your bet it would put him all in.
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06-23-2010 , 08:07 PM
stop making threads
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06-23-2010 , 08:07 PM
are you the one who wrote (Preslection) in HHs, or is it written in HHs ?
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06-23-2010 , 08:09 PM


OP, is this you?
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06-23-2010 , 08:09 PM
i'm betting he wrote them in. lolz
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06-23-2010 , 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho Boy Jack
are you the one who wrote (Preslection) in HHs, or is it written in HHs ?
I did not write in "Preselection." That is a feature that UB employs....


And no, there isn't a "all-in bet feature...."

Nobody has mentioned the PTR link?

Quote:
Originally Posted by prana
i'm betting he wrote them in. lolz
I assure you I didn't, I had the hands emailed as well as the chat.

And why would I sit on this for a month before making a thread??

Last edited by tk1133; 06-23-2010 at 08:18 PM.
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06-23-2010 , 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ncboiler
I lol'd at this for multiple reasons.
I was just abut to write the same
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06-23-2010 , 08:22 PM
I don't know if you should be concerned, but blotkis is not concerned.
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