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Old 09-04-2016, 01:52 AM   #76
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WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

I think we need another hug
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Old 09-04-2016, 01:52 AM   #77
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

The real question that should be on everyone's minds: If neither of these guys act professionally, can they qualify as rec players for Guy's tournament??
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Old 09-04-2016, 01:59 AM   #78
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hu4rollz seems the only option here
Seems like the only way to settle this dispute
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:02 AM   #79
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

Funny stuff, Doug is a bright light in the poker world. I used to think it was all an act but now i realise its just part of his personality
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:04 AM   #80
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

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The real question that should be on everyone's minds: If neither of these guys act professionally, can they qualify as rec players for Guy's tournament??
Lol. Well played
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:04 AM   #81
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Re: Recent dealings with GPL CEO Alex Dreyfus

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Why didn't you ask your partner about coaching Doug before receiving the NL coaching?
This.

Sure WCG can be somewhat annoying with his "I'm the best" act but it sounds like he was indeed scammed/treated unfairly here. And also, pieces shmieces, this is obviously way bigger than the 70k or whatever you threw at him as compensation.
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:05 AM   #82
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Re: Recent dealings with GPL CEO Alex Dreyfus

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Why didn't you ask your partner about coaching Doug before receiving the NL coaching?
Obvious freeroll is obvious.

1. Get NL coaching.
2. Ask partner for permission to dispense PLO knowledge.
> YES: proceed
> NO: oops, thx for the NL coaching!

Do I think he set out to intentionally freeroll Doug? I have no idea, but let's give him benefit of doubt and say he didn't, and he really thought his partner would be OK with it. Still doesn't matter - net effect was a brain-drain freeroll, and that's shady.

Maintaining an impeccable reputation in the poker world isn't ONLY about not executing premeditated scams. It's also about having the intelligence and willingness to preemptively think about potential hiccups before you put someone else in a bad spot, even if you didn't start out with any malicious intent. If we're talking about some unforeseeable black swan event that no one could reasonably see coming, then maybe there can be some lenience. But this situation doesn't come close to that...if you've got a PLO partner who may object to you sharing intel, ask him if it's OK before you have the counterparty deliver his half of the bargain, FFS!
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:06 AM   #83
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

Uh oh this is gonna end bad for the both of them , more for Doug I think coloured initially from that convincing 3bet. but people already got mixed feelings about Doug so all in all Ben might be taking the bigger loss despite in a vacuum coming out better , if Ben somehow loses after a pretty convincing 3bet itt and wcg 4bets ai with the goods its gonna destroy Ben
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:16 AM   #84
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

Ben86 not coming off well so far... and it seems WCG hasn't even unloaded the clip.
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:38 AM   #85
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

WCGRider seems like a caricature of the reasons not to spend most of your life on the internet and the negative aspects it has on your personality
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:39 AM   #86
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

Here is a video response uploaded by Doug 30 minutes ago.


Last edited by dhubermex; 09-04-2016 at 02:49 AM. Reason: embed youtube video
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:41 AM   #87
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

I only read your first post ... Insanely bad justification for falling short on the original deal.... It shocks me that someone so Intelligiant can justify making a deal man to man then using an excuse of someone else to pull out if it.
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:42 AM   #88
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

These guys must've been rubbing each other the wrong way to start with, the drunken debate is a good tell:

" I'm the best in the world !!!!!1111 " Doug raves on 3,50 promille drunk in the middle of the night , Ben replies "sample size to small brahh "

The obvious play is to just to lol in that spot and high five the drunken beast and go on merrily into the night and take it another day if you has to but Ben felt he has to tell him off , something was already being a issue here considering they don't even compete for the top spot in the same game.

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Old 09-04-2016, 02:50 AM   #89
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

Seems like WCG got his heart broken.
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Old 09-04-2016, 03:16 AM   #90
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....



I hate people that look like you.
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Old 09-04-2016, 03:18 AM   #91
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

So Ben has the PLO dream machine?

https://youtu.be/sQQbTTOBiOc?t=11m51s
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Old 09-04-2016, 03:20 AM   #92
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

Doug is so great for poker, damn.
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Old 09-04-2016, 03:23 AM   #93
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

Well done Doug! The attention what you wanted, is yours!
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Old 09-04-2016, 03:24 AM   #94
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

You can't tell a person you're going to exchange information but back out of it lol straight up SCAM. I won't lie tho doug does look like the douchebag high school bully but his videos are awesome haha
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Old 09-04-2016, 03:27 AM   #95
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

Ben86 confirmed psychopath?
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Old 09-04-2016, 03:27 AM   #96
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

legit laughed at "i hate people who look like you"
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Old 09-04-2016, 03:38 AM   #97
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

NL coaching from someone who can't beat micro cash... Ben probably was not happy with the quality of NL coaching, can understand him...
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Old 09-04-2016, 03:40 AM   #98
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NL coaching from someone who can't beat micro cash... Ben probably was not happy with the quality of NL coaching, can understand him...
sample size bro
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Old 09-04-2016, 03:40 AM   #99
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

Quick vid reaction from 35 mins I won't get back:
  • Yeah: straight-up shady brain-drain freeroll by Ben; ridiculous not checking with PLO partner before getting coaching from Doug.
  • Doug telling lots of drama llama stories about Ben's character that...don't seem to have much if any relevance to issues at hand.
  • Doug assigning super-high shadiness factor to ethics of Ben sitting him at 500/1K cap 6 months after the coaching debacle. Dude, if you don't want to play him, then don't give him action. It's not like he sat you under a different account name. He's being fully transparent: you coached him a bit and now it's up to you as to whether you want to give him action. There's nothing unethical about sitting you. (Or maybe your ego is just concerned that observers unaware of the history b/t you 2 will see the self-professed #1 online NL player refusing Ben action...hm....)
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Old 09-04-2016, 03:41 AM   #100
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Re: WCGRider / Ben86 dispute....

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I hate people that look like you.
At first I thought you were being an ass but then.... lol

Ben is sounding pretty bad from Dougs side of the story though and his response ITT of casually insulting Doug while downplaying the situation doesn't look too good either.

Hopefully Ben will have some kind of response
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