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09-05-2016 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by betterlol
Look dear, the empirical evidence (High stakes thread in NVG) shows that no such thing as a dream machine is currently available.

Those guys (and I'm talking about the high stakes regs) botch up big hands on such a regular basis that I seriously doubt that they would be able to climb up the ranks if they were to start at the bottom today.

You can choose to believe whatever makes you feel better though.
unless you know the GTO solutions to every single spot you can't possibly be able to judge any of that
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09-05-2016 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Eurgh
Someone edit this to 'I'm big online' and it'll be fantastic
Someone edit this to 'I'm bigger online' and it'll be even more fantastic.
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09-05-2016 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
going to try my HARDEST to not let the tilt of the irony of this topic get to me

one post, ONE TIME
The beast has entered the arena!
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09-05-2016 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FliptDascRipt
you are delusionals all of you you who think this way

also setting aside the one piece of software, Ben86s, are you seriously trying to imply that allll the 'MS and'HS 'Regs' on ROW Pokerstars arent grinding, playing with teams/coachs of people all flooding the game with software. Creating massive amounts of useful data to be had out there, to play against other opponents.

ofc it matters why do you think everyone fights so hard to keep it, BECAUSE IT HELPS A LOT.
wake the f up
lol who is delusional. its clear u dont know anything about stars cashgames.
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09-05-2016 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Masq
Could have been anyone that filed it. Even someone from NVG trying to stir stuff up. Most likely Ben but you never know...
YouTube doesn't allow you to file these on behalf of 3rd parties, and I know firsthand that when you file DMCA takedowns (a similar sort of complaint), you have to prove that you are who you say you are.
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09-05-2016 , 04:36 PM
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09-05-2016 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CanYouSpareACnote?
Good luck getting both sides to post arbitration bonds. You can always use Solomonic wisdom: the side refusing to post up is the guilty party. Have that in the fine print.
I did not say it was going to happen. Both side would pay the fees/cost for arbitration services.

If the parties to a dispute agree to arbitration, and the particular subject matter under arbitration allows for judicial enforcement of an award, collection on an award is not too difficult if the losing party actually has assets.

Even if the underlying dispute is not something enforceable through the courts, i.e. collection of a gambling debt, there might the need for a non-judicial escrow somewhere. (Actually, altho I hate to go on a tangent off a tangent, the technology is available to escrow funding of a possible award on the blockchain, using a simple multi-signature requirement for release.)
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09-05-2016 , 04:38 PM
99,
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09-05-2016 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ninetynine99
Well played my friend.
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09-05-2016 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Fayth
unless you know the GTO solutions to every single spot you can't possibly be able to judge any of that
GTO theory in HS poker does not have the importance that you think it has, when you are playing a small number of hands against a small number of opponents that you have information on and can exploit more profitably based on said information, if you are good enough to do so that is.

Moreover, if GTO software assisted play (assuming that as you say this is what those guys do) is losing them money, then they better reevaluate their strategies pronto, as the margin of error with such a small number of hands is pretty thin.
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09-05-2016 , 04:58 PM
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09-05-2016 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by betterlol
GTO theory in HS poker does not have the importance that you think it has, when you are playing a small number of hands against a small number of opponents that you have information on and can exploit more profitably based on said information, if you are good enough to do so that is.

Moreover, if GTO software assisted play (assuming that as you say this is what those guys do) is losing them money, then they better reevaluate their strategies pronto, as the margin of error with such a small number of hands is pretty thin.
what do you mean losing them money, it's not losing them money if they reached high stakes and are grinding it steadily...
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09-05-2016 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
should say, this is like side saddle, we can delete pictures later
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09-05-2016 , 05:09 PM
Ike reached out to me with what seemed like a genuine apology. He obviously had a very big lapse in judgement and I truly hope he never does anything like it again. But regarding our dealings on the matter, I am done. Everyone is obviously entitled to have their own opinion of Ike(or me for that matter), but I am at peace with, and have forgiven him for what he did.
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09-05-2016 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Fayth
what do you mean losing them money, it's not losing them money if they reached high stakes and are grinding it steadily...
1. They reached high stakes under circumstances different than those we have now.

2. Define steadily.

3. ^
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09-05-2016 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by betterlol
1. They reached high stakes under circumstances different than those we have now.

2. Define steadily.

3. ^
otb would fit the definition of steadily
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09-05-2016 , 06:03 PM
When did poker become so gay?...props to Polk for attacking it...I don't like his methods though.
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09-05-2016 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Moivey
When did poker become so gay?

Liberals obv.
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09-05-2016 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kingofcool
Now if only Jugleman could come out and tell us what Doug did to him to ruin their friendship, that would complete this petty circus show.
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Originally Posted by jungleman
going to try my HARDEST to not let the tilt of the irony of this topic get to me

one post, ONE TIME
I mean.. if anyone deserves to be immune to this type of private info leakage, it sure as hell is not Doug Polk.

Would be hilarious if this backfired.

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Originally Posted by Donger Kim
For the record- Doug was not a bully in high school.
Of course not. He was a competitive wc3 player ffs.
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09-05-2016 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kingofcool
I mean.. if anyone deserves to be immune to this type of private info leakage, it sure as hell is not Doug Polk.



Would be hilarious if this backfired.





Of course not. He was a competitive wc3 player ffs.


Eh, he was allegedly involved in gang activity for quite awhile.


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09-05-2016 , 06:16 PM
Pretty sure Doug and Jungle are cool now. They had a rough patch a couple years ago.
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09-05-2016 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
Pretty sure Doug and Jungle are cool now. They had a rough patch a couple years ago.
Amazing what romantic trot on the beach can do...
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09-05-2016 , 06:23 PM
Not sure the etiquette of sticking to a ruling when afterwards/hindsight it's clearly wrong but berri if everyone reasonable says the ruling is wrong I think you (and Ben) should definitely look to reconsider. If you definitely should be owed, then collect stop saying you're done/don't expect to get paid etc. At this point I don't see how anyone can argue you're not owed the full amount (main reason being that reverse situation no way he doesn't collect the full amount..., especially as then you saying "I win/lose for rake" instead of "we" would be used as proof against etc) so if Ben is reasonable and honourable at all he should accept to change the ruling even if it was an agreed and fair arbitrator. Meaning he has the "right" but would be very morally dubious (at best) to stick with the ruling.

Spoiler:



Kinda funny how this sorta all came up just because Ben said Alex Dreyfus didn't have a legit reason to do his dodgy "trade".

Last edited by OMGClayDol; 09-05-2016 at 06:31 PM.
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09-05-2016 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Moivey
When did poker become so gay?...props to Polk for attacking it...I don't like his methods though.
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09-05-2016 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by heat555
lmfao, was this ever confirmed real?
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