I don't think this is obvious at all based on the chat. Your only reason for saying this is that Berri said "gogo", correct?

Right, but since everyone agrees that Berri's misunderstanding was kinda unreasonable and Ben's intentions were clear, the arbitrators would have said that Berri owed Ben money, in which case Ben should owe Berri money when he loses.

What I don't understand is why Ben characterized the situation as "I pay him or he pays me". Why would Berri ever pay Ben? Did Ben misunderstand what Berri's misunderstanding was, or lie, or get confused?

i believe he played as "Rhje" and ended up crushing during the MalACEsia sessions, winning well over a million.

“Rhje” Wins Four Days in a Row

On Friday, Aug. 2, “Rhje” finished as the day’s biggest winner with $244,300 in profit after playing $400/$800 NLHE for eight hours straight. The win was significant because it marked the fourth winning day in a row for “Rhje,” who as you know went on to finish as the week’s biggest winner with more than a million in winnings.

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2013/0...-han-16068.htm

(sorry for the slight derail)

I'm pretty sure Two SHAE is Ben posting under a friends account.

Ah yes, was trying to remember forhaley name in those games. It was indeed Rhje and he ran like the Lord and played like the Lord.

@ twoshae: I will read your response (if you do respond) but won't reply. I don't want to start getting into this stuff tbh. I have done this before in threads on here and regretted it. There are actually no positives for me in doing this.

gl all.

Mercenary seems a more appropriate term for people that don't/can't differentiate between friend, semi-friend, acquaintance, complete stranger, and opponent, and think strictly in terms of money (ev).

Let's put the Ike pitchforks down for a moment.

All information about Ike was fed through Ben, other then Berri asking Ike about it and Ike suggesting it should be someone else.

I don't think Ike even wanted the role here (I remember a high stakes bet I needed a judge for for and Ike said he was simply not gonna do it), but I have no idea.

Don't just assume that Ike and Ben are in on it together, you don't even know what Ben said to Ike, which is extremely important when gauging whether Ike had any type of role here whatsoever.

I know. I retracted and said basically what you are saying here.

(this presuming you are at least partly talking to me.)

ffs helikopter ben is fish 2013

Imo any kind of payment between 0 and 40k is fair as long as the arbitrator would decide the same amount if it was the other way around.

If it was the other way around it would make more sense for the arbitrator to decide berri should pay ben86 the 40k or at least a amount close to it, since from the chat its clear that berri made a mistake and misinterpret. It would be kind of freerollable to say u had a different interpretation if the bet goes the wrong way when the initial chat was pretty clear what was meant .

so berri should have paid ben if it was the other way around imo and therefore ben should pay berri now.

so Ike is the silent partner who denied WCG get dream machine coaching. While also arbitrating ben86's disputes. Seems legit

The perception that I'm jumping in here to "defend my buddy" and am biased are ridiculous. I'm evaluating the facts on their own merits. I know Ben roughly on the same level I knew Doug, which is frankly not that much (talked online some, met in Vanc, hung out a few times over the course of a few months, didn't really stay in touch after -- all of that is true of my relationship with both of them).

I don't want to respond point by point but I thought it was common knowledge that Ben/Ike were friends so I agree he clearly should not have been an arbitrator, regardless of whether or not they talked about it privately. It was a poor choice, but on the other hand, BERRI should have just dismissed it immediately. The problem is it's probably hard to find an arbitrator because the high stakes community is full of people with existing relationships, ie, it'd be hard to find someone who was a) had no relationship with either party b) part of the community enough to understand the situation

Firstly, correct me if I'm wrong, but English is not BERRI's first language? I don't think his misunderstanding is unreasonable at all. In fact, since Ben mentioned the thing about how rake was being handled, it made it seem like Trueteller was a party to the bet which makes BERRI's misunderstanding even more reasonable. I understand the "gogo" thing is kind of tenuous but in my experience, people who make a bet tend to say something like "good luck" whereas when someone buys a piece and is rooting for someone saying something like "gogo" is a lot more common. But I think that in conjunction with the rake thing makes BERRI's misinterpretation of what Ben wanted totally reasonable. I agree Ben's intentions were clear, but I don't think that's enough to say he should owe BERRI the 40k (or any portion thereof), since clearly it was not BERRI's intention to bet against Sauce with Ben.

Assuming neither of them are lying, had they made the intentions more clear, there would have been no crossbook at all, since BERRI wanted to bet the same side as Ben.

Tis is pretty much known since teh Hayestings fiasco.
Pokerindustry never disapoints though. Once you think GEEE, ITS ABIT QUIET THIS SUMMER HUH BOOOOOOOM

think about it. its not called a mercenary, its called a sociopath.

there's a big difference between idk being 18, just starting your adult life or w/e vs being a grown ass adult. These guys are what? 30?

i would grudgingly give a young dumbass a pass (obv depends), but there's no excuse for someone like ike/ ben etc being at that age with that experience in this industry to behave that way.

its even worse if this behavior is repeating.

70k views in about 26 hours. Whoa

It's a wash because Ben thought he and Berri are betting on (Bet A)

Berri thought he was agreeing to 50% action on (Bet B).

The outcome was neither A or B but C, so Ben thought it was a wash since they both make a mistake because clearly both party have different ideas on what they agree on.

Imagine if the outcome were A or B and one side try to collect from the other side


I do love how ppls ITT just said player X should paid player Y 100k like it's just nothing.

jesus i totally forgot about him - i knew it was one of the eastern europeans/russians but i completely forgot about fish2013

havent heard him mentioned in such a long time

2-7 triple draw hi/lo fixed limit, ryan riess, doug polk, ben trollerene

I am sure if Ike wants to respond then he can

Why would the solution to this being Doug and Ben losing their rolls to Riess?

Hey Doug,

Really big fan of yours. Just wanted to chime in and say even though I could see where Ben has freerolled you for the coaching, you probably shouldn't have included all the personal details.

It feels like Ben has some internal issues that he probably needs help with. We all have problems in our lives and no one's perfect, be the better man and let this go.

lol what is this, kindergarten?

I like how people downplay this as random drama. This night has a lot to do with how everything unfolded. It is necessary to paint the full picture.

If your life involves people you thought of as friends or acquaintances saying stuff like that to you or others, or you think that is normal and not extremely extraordinary, I suggest you re-think things.

I have no idea what's going on but I would pay serious money to try and watch WCG navigate poker in Doyle's days


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