LOL you clearly don't send him $100

If Ben wants to give $50 he can find a better charitable cause than urubu. He's arguably not even doing him a favor because by giving the $50 he'd be enabling his obvious gambling addiction. The fact that he just won money from urubu doesn't change that at all.

You can tell all the hopeless degen flop junkies itt by their disdain for some dude who didn't send a fellow degen 100 bucks when he busted him. He did him a favor by not shipping (even though that wasn't his motivation for telling him no).

So betting your whole roll, 60k, on one hand of poker, with a 3-5% vig, is standard and smart. gotcha. Thats like playing blackjack.....aka lighting money on fire.

wheres his rakeback bruh

This.

I mean, I get why some people would do it for their own charitable reasons, or because they think it's +EV in the long run, but to say that he's scum or lacks dignity for not doing so is pretty ridiculous.

Of course, that's nothing like what he said.

Ah, just trolling...my mistake.

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So if he won, it would be printing money and easy 60K?

Yes, blackjack is lightning money on fire, but you fire whatever you lose in EV, not an actual short term wins/losses. Otherwise you could aswell claim you did a smart move if you happen to win that day.

in a thread that has long been taken over and infected with full blown aids from random ****posters, this "he didn't send $100 after winning a flip zomg wat a scumbaf" nonsense has to be the worst

can you guys just let this die pls so it stops popping up in my subscriptions? nobody actually gaf what any of you have to say about anything, i promise

you are just soooooooooo ****ing cool

Not really, because if he keeps flipping his whole roll (or a large portion of it), he has a greater chance of busting than an opponent with a bigger roll. If he plans to keep flipping his whole roll, it pretty much is lighting 60k on fire. You'd be correct if he only intended to flip once, or both had the same roll size. That's part of why playing underrolled is such a bad idea, even against a weaker opponent. Furthermore, he's also paying the opportunity cost of what he could have made with the 60k roll that he no longer can make because he's grinding micros, assuming he's +EV at higher stakes.

For example, if two people decide to flip 10 times for $100, but one guy only has a $100 roll and the other guy has a 10k roll, the underrolled guy will have >50% chance of losing $100 even though his EV on any given flip is 0.

Another example is say one guy is a 10bb/100 winner with a 1BI roll and another guy is a 8bb/100 winner with a 100BI roll. They both join the zoom pool. On any given hand, the first guy has greater EV, but over a larger sample the 8bb/100 guy actually has the greater EV.

**** urubu. Guy claims to be a flipping degen when in fact his degeneracy is funded through his families wealth. Send him back 100?? GFY. Poor guy just gonna have to wait until daddy gives him his allowance.

this is wrong, or at least worded somewhat poorly, I'm guessing you just mean that since the 10bb winner guy busts a decent amount of the time he won't have a roll anymore thus can't realize his EV

Yes, his true EV includes the opportunity cost of busting, not just his bb/100.

I never said he's scum or lacks dignity. I asked him if he could explain it with dignity...He hasn't. (not that i expected him to) Only thing I've heard so far is he should "donate 100$ to charity instead" (sorta dignified) or "fk him, he's a rich boy". Do you think casinos say either thing to that top vip level card carrying high-roller customer?

Not trolling at all. From what I understand, they do this very often. Urubu is a great customer in Ben86's flipping business. He gives him tons of action...pays the vig..no matter if its from mommy or daddy or grinding micros...

So wheres the rakeback or comp on all the action?

thats funny. You must have subscribed to me personally. I have ~350 posts and you have responded to ~300 of them. We all know u stalk me waiting to talk ish vs whatever I say. You actually GAF way more than anyone on 2+2 what I have to say. That makes your post so ironic

lolwat? i think you need to step away from the computer and take your medication

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If we're talking class and dignity, engaging in wagers you can't afford and then begging the winner for money back is way worse IMO than not indulging their request.

Are you serious? Not giving a hopeless degen $100 is not going to kill his action vs him. If anything, he'll come back in degen style wanting to bust him for not lending him a stake. There's no ego in casino table games, so lol at the vip level high-roller casino games player analogy.

Or you could just unsubscribe from the thread.

Fair enough, but asking him to explain it with dignity implies, at least to me, that you believe his decision somehow reflects on his dignity - it doesn't, IMO.

Also, I was lumping together at least one other person with you when I mentioned "scum"; that wasn't clear, sorry.

Lol dumb **** like this keeps me away from the gambling world, thanks for the reminder guys.

Cliffs: Ben prefers sidesaddle, WCG needs a new hairstyle, degens gonna degen, NVG gonna NVG

Ben86 screwed Doug over big time by not honoring his deal.

I look at this as a theft/con, regardless of what Ben feels his intention was.

Ben should have thought about things early on and never accepted the very valuable lessons he received. Or did he know in advance that he was going to stiff?

To add insult to injury, rest assured the information Doug gave will be used against him over the felt.


On Doug's Side Of The Street:

Doug should have stopped all dealings (and feelings of friendly aquaintanceship) with Ben when Ben failed to pay what he owed in a timely manner. However, it is easy for a victim to go wrong in these situations due to emotional bias.

I am sure Doug learned hard and unfair lessons that will help him in future relationships and dealings.


Best of luck, Doug.

From a fast skim of all these posts it looks like Doug should indeed pay viffer.

You seem a wee bit confused.