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spinspinsuga · 01-31-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MicroRoller

HUDs don't give players as much of an advantage as you think they do.When I first started playing I didn't use a HUD and I was able to 4 table profitably. Four tables seemed to be my limit where I could pay attention to all the action and develop my own reads on players.

After I started adding more tables I had a situation in a SnG where I raised AQo from the button and got 3-bet shoved by the BB. I was completely lost. I didn't know if this player just defended his blinds too much, might be overvaluing a weaker hand or might actually have the goods. That's the moment I decided I needed a HUD if I wanted to increase the number of tables I play.

HUDs don't tell you what to do, they just help give you information. If you only play one table, as it sounds like you do, then you're not a great disadvantage without one.

Most of the multitabling tagfish are easily exploitable if you pay attention.
At least that's my take on things.

Then why use it? Is it because you don't like poker enough to pay attention to it?

chunkytuna · 01-31-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by spinspinsuga

A HUD is available for everyone to buy. It probably does improve their green line. It may even make them play better. But how does it make them a better player? Can you check your HUD while sitting down playing with your friends, or in a casino? No. In a live poker game, are you able to refer to anything other than your brain to make a decision? No. So tell me how using a HUD is not an unfair advantage? The only reason that these things are even allowed is because the poker sites cant police everything we do while we are online, so they might as well give everyone the option to use it. Otherwise you HUD lovers/users that can't play poker without it would have a calculator with a poker program sitting next to your laptop instead of on your laptop screen. I don't believe that it makes you a better player, but yes, you probably need help to play better.

Live poker is unfair because you can look at your opponents physical tells and can't online.

Op, how do you feel about wearing shades live? Do you think they should ban them because you cant be bothered to buy some?

spinspinsuga · 01-31-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chunkytuna

Live poker is unfair because you can look at your opponents physical tells and can't online.

live poker is how the game began, live. being able to see physical tells is what separates great players from the bad ones. using your instincts is what poker is all about. not about the VP$IP on the player in seat 7.

http://pokerhud.org/what-is-a-poker-hud

a HUD is as much of an unfair advantage as there can be, other than being able to see someone's hole cards. i think that when all the "fish" begin to realize how much of a disadvantage they are at, no matter how much they love to play, they will definitely be more hesitant to give their money away. i am waiting for the first honest HUD user to come out and say that it does give them a huge advantage.

Advantages Using a Poker HUD

The main advantage of a poker HUD comes with the ability to profile all players at your table effortlessly. For example, if a player is raising pre-flop 4BBs in early position, then you can use a HUD to assess their relative hand strength and looseness by looking at their VPIP% stat (if VPIP is above 30%, they will be raising with a number of marginal hands including 10J, but if it’s below 10% you can guarantee they are only raising with premium hands such as 1010+, AJ+). The information HUD reveals about opponents will be crucial to earning more profits in the long-term.

without it, you are nothing......

Xaston · 01-31-2011, 08:21 PM

HUDs are dumb

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dopebeats · 01-31-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spinspinsuga

live poker is how the game began, live. being able to see physical tells is what separates great players from the bad ones. using your instincts is what poker is all about. not about the VP$IP on the player in seat 7.

http://pokerhud.org/what-is-a-poker-hud

a HUD is as much of an unfair advantage as there can be, other than being able to see someone's hole cards. i think that when all the "fish" begin to realize how much of a disadvantage they are at, no matter how much they love to play, they will definitely be more hesitant to give their money away. i am waiting for the first honest HUD user to come out and say that it does give them a huge advantage.

Advantages Using a Poker HUD

The main advantage of a poker HUD comes with the ability to profile all players at your table effortlessly. For example, if a player is raising pre-flop 4BBs in early position, then you can use a HUD to assess their relative hand strength and looseness by looking at their VPIP% stat (if VPIP is above 30%, they will be raising with a number of marginal hands including 10J, but if it’s below 10% you can guarantee they are only raising with premium hands such as 1010+, AJ+). The information HUD reveals about opponents will be crucial to earning more profits in the long-term.

without it, you are nothing......

I mean I know you are trolling and whatnot, but you do realize that a HUD just parses information? Would people get mad if someone sat down at a live game with a pen and pad and took notes? However, since we are playing online where you are playing many more hands across many more tables, a HUD parses that info and makes it readily available.

chunkytuna · 01-31-2011, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spinspinsuga

live poker is how the game began, live. being able to see physical tells is what separates great players from the bad ones. using your instincts is what poker is all about. not about the VP$IP on the player in seat 7.

http://pokerhud.org/what-is-a-poker-hud

a HUD is as much of an unfair advantage as there can be, other than being able to see someone's hole cards. i think that when all the "fish" begin to realize how much of a disadvantage they are at, no matter how much they love to play, they will definitely be more hesitant to give their money away. i am waiting for the first honest HUD user to come out and say that it does give them a huge advantage.

Advantages Using a Poker HUD

The main advantage of a poker HUD comes with the ability to profile all players at your table effortlessly. For example, if a player is raising pre-flop 4BBs in early position, then you can use a HUD to assess their relative hand strength and looseness by looking at their VPIP% stat (if VPIP is above 30%, they will be raising with a number of marginal hands including 10J, but if it’s below 10% you can guarantee they are only raising with premium hands such as 1010+, AJ+). The information HUD reveals about opponents will be crucial to earning more profits in the long-term.

without it, you are nothing......

Orly? lolz

DaycareInferno · 01-31-2011, 08:31 PM

i can hook up a no hud home game for you OP

spinspinsuga · 01-31-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dopebeats

I mean I know you are trolling and whatnot, but you do realize that a HUD just parses information? Would people get mad if someone sat down at a live game with a pen and pad and took notes? However, since we are playing online where you are playing many more hands across many more tables, a HUD parses that info and makes it readily available.

so, what's your point? that the only reason you can play more tables is because you have a device that basically guides your play? yes, i think that people would get mad if someone sat down in a live game with a pen and pad and took notes. that's not what poker was meant to be, am i wrong? in essence, it's not you playing more hands across more tables, it's your HUD dictating the plays you make so that you are able to play more tables effectively. there's no way i am wrong, and i stand by my opinion.

RedManPlus · 01-31-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mikelbyl

Most people don't know how to use a HUD anyhow. Don't worry about it. It isn't some kind of magic dust that turns people into winning poker players. It's even possible that for some it's too much information and could feasibly lead to worse plays.

This is how creepy Poker Hustlers...
Set up regular people for the hustle.

There's a creep like this at every live table.

Mr Beer · 01-31-2011, 08:34 PM

[x] OP sucks at poker

[ ] other players need a HUD to beat OP

[x] OP could simply move a non-HUD supported site to donate but would rather blame his suckery on HUDs

spinspinsuga · 01-31-2011, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chunkytuna

Orly? lolz

yea, rly

LeedawG · 01-31-2011, 08:39 PM

question....if you're so angry about losing money so often, may I ask you when your last deposit was?
Get it through your thick skull...you admit that you're a fish and a terrible player, simple as that...you suck.
I don't use a HUD, and I play up to 8-12 tables sometimes....and I can still put up a profit.
It's your fault if you're a losing player and you don't want to study or learn and try to get better. Don't come online and start complaining about HUDs, if you don't want to use a HUD, and don't want to learn to get better, then don't worry about it. Stop depositing and move on....but my guess is that you probably deposited recently and lost....it's 100% your fault that you're losing...don't blame it on the magical HUD..

MicroRoller · 01-31-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by spinspinsuga

Then why use it? Is it because you don't like poker enough to pay attention to it?

lol. is this a joke? I wrote in plain english why I started using a HUD.

Just in case english isn't your main language let me point it out to you.

I said that I could pay attention close enough without needing a HUD when I was only playing 4 tables. Using a HUD made it easier for me to play more tables. More tables = more money.

spinspinsuga · 01-31-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LeedawG

question....if you're so angry about losing money so often, may I ask you when your last deposit was?
Get it through your thick skull...you admit that you're a fish and a terrible player, simple as that...you suck.
I don't use a HUD, and I play up to 8-12 tables sometimes....and I can still put up a profit.
It's your fault if you're a losing player and you don't want to study or learn and try to get better. Don't come online and start complaining about HUDs, if you don't want to use a HUD, and don't want to learn to get better, then don't worry about it. Stop depositing and move on....but my guess is that you probably deposited recently and lost....it's 100% your fault that you're losing...don't blame it on the magical HUD..

youre an idiot

dopebeats · 01-31-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spinspinsuga

so, what's your point? that the only reason you can play more tables is because you have a device that basically guides your play? yes, i think that people would get mad if someone sat down in a live game with a pen and pad and took notes. that's not what poker was meant to be, am i wrong? in essence, it's not you playing more hands across more tables, it's your HUD dictating the plays you make so that you are able to play more tables effectively. there's no way i am wrong, and i stand by my opinion.

My point is that it doesn't provide you with information that isn't already available. This isn't middle school, you can use a calculator on your math test now. Stenographers now type instead of using shorthand. Things change and evolve. A HUD doesn't dictate how you should play, it simply parses information(once again). Is it cheating when a pitcher throws inside fastballs to a guy because their scouting report says hes a sucker for the inside fastball? Its kind of ridiculous. It's even more ridiculous to say that bad players will quit in droves because of HUDs. People still play pit games at the casino, even though they know the casino has an unambiguous mathematical edge. I think it boils down to degens gonna degen.