well tradepokermoney, as if it weren't official already, now you're just completely talking out of your ass and trolling. good work

I'm asking myself the same thing.

From the Pokerstars TOS:

3. AUTHORITY

PokerStars retains authority over the issuing, maintenance, and closing of Users' accounts at PokerStars. The decision of PokerStars' management, as regards any aspect of a User's account, use of the Service, or dispute resolution, is final and shall not be open to review or appeal.

http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/tos/

Pokerstars says that the accounts do not violate the TOS. Therefore, there is no violation.

Clean. Simple. Easy.

how has this non-debate debate been going on for over 20 pages.

1. you got multiple accounts.
2. 2p2 members find that out of their own free time rather than you acknowledging it yourself.
3. you get banned for having multiple accounts.
4. you are found out to be a beggar on top of getting banned for multiple accounts
5. you throw a hissy-fit.

/thread closed

You don't need to agree with ownership to join or use the site. WEC was a valuable member who spent a lot of time tracking down flakes, ma and scammers.

He basically self banned himself over a disagreement on makeup the way he calculated it and the site's general practice.

You continue to try and grab any item to try and prove your point but until you identify yourself your claims of being harmed lack veracity and your claims that people can identify you by a google search seems weak when we dont know who you are

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Yeah, you just seem a waste to have any rational discussion with. You throw out points that make zero sense. You hurt your own arguments with silly, unintelligible statements that make people scratch their heads.

In the argument of "Does PTP encourage cheating, collusion and is its mere existance dangerous to the well-being of PokerStars (or any other site) or a danger to the general card playing public" - What would my personal recommendations for joining that particular site (at the present time) have to do with anything.

Actually, if I recommend against joining the particular site, wouldn't that make my argument that I believe it does not rise to a dangerous level of collusion that PokerStars or any other site should address STRONGER

I will repeat, after being a long time member of PTP with a lot of involvement with the community, I think any arguments that suggest they either allow, encourage, ignore, or in any way increase collusion (more so than any other place where poker players meet, including 2+2) are entirely misplaced and have zero basis in fact.

By this post, it just shows you are doing anything you can to hurt the brand of PTP because of your own personal feelings, and it really has nothing to do with collusion.

It is just the thing you could think up 1 year and 5 months after they decided you were just to much trouble to deal with and decided to ban you. Same thing happened at NeverWinPoker. They just had enough after awhile.

Give up the fight already on this one - you are off base. You are wrong. You have no proof. You have no experience in the matter. You are just mad at PTP and grasping at straws to satisfy your own vendetta.

If you want to have a discussion about the depths of collusion in general poker both online and offline, I think that could at least be a useful or at least a more rational discussion.

Again - Move on - You are not going to destroy PTP with your silly, unfounded arguments, and it would be a shame if you did, as they (and other staking sites) help out many grateful players.


Just a small Note: you lied to us by stating how you staked $300 and by PTPs stats you had actually staked $133. Is everything a manipulation and fabrication in whatever you post? Is anything true? Why the need to lie about this fact? Not that it is important in any way--just an indication in how you work to try and distort arguments.

As far as PTP making people have both a Full Tilt and PokerStars account. There is sound reasoning in security for this policy. The site stakes mostly on FTP and PS. They do not want Multi-Accounters on their site. By listing two accounts that you must have, you can not later claim that you just left PTP blank because you had no interest in playing there (when the real reason was PTP bounced you for some reason - maybe stiffing them on echeck, maybe scamming players, having multiple accounts, etc).

Staking sites that force you to list the names where you play and even that do not allow you to claim you have never had an account at the two largest sites in the world (even though that is a possiblity) help to provide a layer of security for all the sites members.

Actually, most staking sites (100% including PTP) provide a measurable and worthwhile contribution to online poker by uncovering many scammers, Multi-Accounters, cheaters that most likely would go on undiscovered without site security features putting a stop to their actions, or at least making a public record of their transgressions.

In the 2+2 trading thread alone, many trades are aborted just by seeing the potential trader had one or more security problems at staking sites. I can guarantee without this public information, the amount of people scammed just on 2+2 would have increased without staking sites security procedures.

Okay. So no on turnkeykiller, but you didn't answer about zen_realized. Is that also not you?

I haven't read the rest of the thread but what the hell is going on here? Who the **** is Contempo? Whyl is he using my PS screenname in anyways whatsoever, is this guy trying to scam me? Should I contact Pokerstars about this? A mod messaged me and asked me why I have two active accounts, I don't. I know of no 'Contempo.' That post about flipping and the post on the Rogan Forum are me, and 'mtrip' on Pokerstars is me but I've never asked a single person for a stake in my life (JC offered the stake to me on the Rogan Board).

Goddamn somebody clear this up.

If you are not Contempo, then something is wrong. But it seems strange that he would ask for a trade sent to Mtrip at PS. But there are so many ways to scam, who knows the motives or what else might happen (maybe at last minute he says send it to my friend at PS on another account-that happens a lot). If you are not Contempo I would work with Mike Haven (moderator) on the matter and see what he says. He works to combat scammers, and also has close relationships with PokerStars.

2 things.. ptp does not promote colluding

amd second.. the ,ods on the site are ban happy and love flexing their authority I litterally recieved a 60 hop gear for posting a hand i played in a mtt in the mtt strat forum.

honestly sometimes you gotta put up with some bull **** in order to make things happen you gotta jump through hoops and do **** you dont wanna in all seriousness i hate part time poker but i still use the site to make money. just because you dont like the rules/mods/players/ or whatever doesnt mean you cant utilize the things they offer on their site.