170 posts not quite viral.

Neither is 100 retweets and 200 likes.

I can't take anything you post seriously

Sorry

It actually wasn't serious when I posted it, but the more I thought about it, it made great sense.

Called the clock on a guy on Sunday as he'd taken 2 mins (30 min levels) in deciding what to do vs a 16bb 3b shove over his raise. He completely flipped out, spent half an hour berating me to his fugly gf on the rail and then started making "jokes" about how he should call the clock on me when I take one second to act. Complete embarrassment to the UK poker scene given this guy is a "reg". More people need to grow a pair and call the clock..

Started playing in live tournaments again these last couple months and the tanking in the highstakes tournaments is ridiculous. I don't mind it when you're facing a big decision post flop but when it's you're turn preflop to facing a single raise or 3b you don't have to tank for a minute or more everytime. I vote for a shot clock as well.

I like the idea. One thing is for sure. SOMETHING needs to be done ! I would even suggest a shorter version of 1 minute till the clock starts. So many live tourneys have 15min , 20min, maybe 30 min levels. Does each player really need TWO minutes - and then MORE time ???

I played a live tourney at Foxwoods where an entire level passed where I never saw the button because of so many tanking players. Think of that.......entire level and not even 10 hands were dealt

This seems like a fixable problem.

When will a poker room implement the long awaited shot clock ???

agreed

That's out of control you're a mad man!!!!

This, but I think it's a good idea

This is a ****ing horrible idea

Great idea. Make it easier. Any time player thinks for more than 1 minute on an action his hand is shown


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If time bank chips are used, how long will Men the Master have to act by tourney's end? 3 days?

Any potentially good points have been ruined by your obvious dislike of 'online pros' and hypocrisy when it comes to you purposely tank folding when it suits you.

The game of poker has existed for a longtime without these rules and will continue to do so, just relax and enjoy the game you angsty allens.

Ftr, I think a 20-30 second shot clock with 3 time bank chips of 1 minute, plus an extra TB chip after every 4 hours or something sounds like a fine solution if everyone panties are bunched beyond repair.

if we are only dealt one card instead of two the decision tree would be cut down by some amount.

If you can't afford to call you fold.
If you can afford to call you fold.
Poker i simple based on your moronic example.

This reminded me of a a Scandinavian 5 card stud game I used to sometimes play in, where they had no table stakes rules, you were in for everything you had on you and on your bank account. They were nice enough to wait while you went to ATM to get cash. Oh, and they had no set stakes either, the first one in could open for literally any amount (they would normally stick to very low stakes though). Needless to say, only the most degenerate of us sat down with these guys!

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Tanking in live tournaments has become an issue for both players and other parties, with considerable discussion around Kassouf in 2016, Stern and Neuvelle in 2015 and so on.

Calling the clock repeatedly on slow players is a poor solution - antagonistic, slow to implement and inappropriate when dealing with routine delays in standard pre-flop action.

Whilst it's easy for online poker to provide an elegant solution through shot clock and timebank, it's far more difficult for live floor staff and tournament directors to apply a consistent and objective solution that's fair to all players.

One possible long term solution might be to give the floor an action tracking software application to monitor any table that's flagged by dealers (or potentially players) as being a problem. The floor can tap fold, check, call, raise for each seat over a period of hands, measuring the approximate time taken by each seat for each action.

These times might then be compared to a tournament guideline published in conjunction with the blinds as a suggested reasonable action time e.g. 100-200-25 15sec action plus 3mins per orbit

If a player/s is discovered to be taking more than the suggested reasonable time on actions, the application can run an algorithm to assess the actual action to determine whether such time was reasonable in all the circumstances. There are many times that players face genuinely difficult decisions and these should be separated from the mainstream check/fold plays in rhythm that form 95% of play.

If a player is found to be taking time in excess of both the tournament guidelines, the average action time for the table and the algorithm, the player can be called aside by the floor on their next non-blind hand to discuss the action tracker results. In the event of successive breaches, the player can receive escalating penalties.

One issue for discussion is whether such tracking should be open or discreet. Slow players may speed up for action tracker. But the other players may appreciate the respite and enjoy telling a tanking player that they've spotted the speed camera.

There are a few negatives with the idea, notably creating additional workload for floor staff, being inconsistently requested by dealers, being over-requested by players etc. But the big advantage lies in the fact that such software may create a purely objective assessment of time to act, rather than relying on or expecting the floor to make subjective and inconsistent judgments - or (as is more commonly the case) no judgment at all.

how about we shorten the clock to 30 seconds and the time before a clock is requested to 30 seconds.

each player gets x number of one minute time chips for each level of the tournament.

You can't have them show the cards to the table. That gives unfair advantage, as they have no reason to be given insight into your folding range. You can have him show them to the TD though.

This idea deserves a penalty

Thanks. But what specific problems do you think might arise through TDs using a tool like this? It's a fairly raw idea in the above form.

each seat should have an airbag built into it that goes off after 20 seconds. if a person is ejected into the air, they have until hitting the ground to act or their hand is dead.

Now that is an awesome idea.

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