Cool, lets make sure we build in at least 5 minutes to check everyone has seen and considered all the shown hands.

pretty sweet, i wish that shot clock was implimented EVERYWHERE

precisly, and also, the biggest part of the problem are recreational players. It's part of the experiance for them, looking at the cards in the "special way", getting attention of the entire table, shuffling their chips and whatever else they do while pretending to think on decisions.

That's why this problem will never get seriously adressed - with the way poker economy is doing at the moment, we can't afford to make any changes that might make rec's experiance less enjoyable.

Not that some pros are without the fault, but it's a much more rare occurance, and they will just be trying to gather maximum information with complicated decision, not pretending to agonize over a trivial play.

In my experience, pros are much worse offenders than fun players.

Concur with slight edit:

In my experience, Douchey young pros are much worse offenders than older pros, most younger pros, and fun players.

Tale of two cities last weekend thunder valley. Mix of pros and local recs. Hands took forever to play out.

This weekend hpt kc. Mostly recs a few mop tour pros. Zero tanking.

Doesn't mean your idea's any good though...

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OP is very annoying.

I havent noticed a problem with the pace of play. How many extra hands per hour would a rule like this give you anyway? It seems like it would be an insignificant number.

Poker is fine, leave it alone. It's an awful lifestyle to be playing poker all the time, but the live game itself is fine. Let Danny2Shoes call the clock every 2 minutes if he wants to be a tool, who cares.

The funny thing is that you know there's at least a solid 24 hours before making this post on NVG and his tweet that Allen was secretly hoping someone would post this on NVG so he wouldn't have to.

Obvious solution seems to be to have "turbo" tourneys with timers/timebank chips whatever and "slow" ones where everyone gets as much time as they want (within reason) - that way you just enter whatever and have no complaints either way.

I realize this is already brought up in the thread but listen everyone, this went Viral?

I really hope you're joking, since it's really the exact opposite. The hoody/sunglass/beats wearing 23 year old ex-Internet pro who says nothing for two minutes, stares at the table, then folds is much more common than the rec player who is just there to have fun.

I don't think you're talking about different players. These are the recreational players.

I like it, but there has to be some sort of a rule as to how soon the clock can be called. I also suggest that you get some timebank-chips that you can use beyond that point. So it could be like:

- Clock gets automatically called after 1 minute.
- You start the tournament with 3 minutes worth of timebank-chips and get given a 1 minute timebank chip every 10th level.
- The timebank chips only prolong the time it takes before the clock is automatically called.
- Your cards will be shown at the end of the hand, if the clock was called.

Clock getting auto-called after 1 minute might sound extreme but its really not. Remember that in reality you have at least 2 minutes to make a decision, even though your cards then will be shown if you take >1min. How often do you have that long online?

This will limit how long hands will take in general, and will eliminate hollywooding (at least past 1 minute). But it does not deal with limiting the time spent on decisions like openraising. A possible solution could be that you set some time limit on how long a player has, if noone has put in any money before action reaches this player preflop. Say, 30 seconds. Should be quite sufficient. If you use more than 30 seconds your hand just gets mucked.

In my experience, no, these are the pros.

Shot clock will only motivate some aholes to take they entire time for each decision without penalty; thus slowing the game down even further (seen this online plenty).

Make it like Chess. Everybody has a set amount of TOTAL time to use for decisions. Make it X minutes per level. People wont waste time dcking around because they may need that time later for a real decision.

I once answered 3 work emails AND wrote a 275 word blog post while Doc Sands was in a hand.

preflop shot clock? seems to me like people are mostly concerned with people tanking and stalling around the bubble preflop, taking overly long on simple open folds etc, whereas i don't know that i've ever seen anyone deliberately tank post flop without an actual decision to make (could be wrong i don't exactly play much live). perhaps a 30 second decision timer in unopened or single (non all-in) raise preflop would work?

30 seconds too much for simple pf spots

I'm calling the clock on Allen's limited internet fame

I see tons of wannabe grinders who fit this profile:

When the action gets to them, does the Ferguson silent count in their head, considers those in the pot and stares down those left to act behind...asks the preflop raiser how much he has behind...after getting an answer, considers for a few seconds more, then looks at his cards. Silently counts out the proper amount of time before mucking 92o

just because someone looks like a stereotypical "online pro" and claims to be one, doesn't mean he is - in fact, usually it's quite the opposite. The only way to distinguish that is by looking closely at the way they play, and you need to be a very good player to do that without seeing their cards.

Actual online pros are way too smart to, first, look like an online pro or admit to being one, and second, cut their hourly rate and irritate other players by wasting time on trivial decisions. They might make those mistakes for the first few times they play, but they will adjust quickly.

"Online pros" are the chief offenders. It's not even close.

I think this applies to Cash game play. Tournament on-line players tank a lot on line and in real life because they think they have timing tells, the reality is most people can't pick up on a timing tell.