View: Saying "Two Pair" at showdown with a pair on board is an angle.

[knircky]

Originally Posted by Daliman

This is seriously one of the more annoying things I have found in my transition to live poker. It goes to showdown, there is a pair on board, and the first person to show calls out "Two Pair" counting the board pair as his other pair. Sure, factually, he's correct, and not lying, but really, in pretty much every case I find that they are hoping their opponent only recognizes their hand as one pair and mucks, before realizing they actually had the better 2 pair hand. Now, when I see someone do that, I usually say "He has two pair with the board pair" or something similar. Normally I don't say anything, as I feel it is up to the player to be able to read their hand properly, but most people that have KQ on a K3938 board don't really consider their hand as two pair. WHat are oter people's opinions on this?

what he is doing is technically correct.

Stop whining. Rec player might not even know better.

[knircky]

Originally Posted by z28dreams

Not an angle. Almost every time I've seen this it's just a new player announcing what he sees, and usually way overvaluing his hand.

+1 my experience as well

[wheelflush]

Originally Posted by AlanDyer

it's clearly an angle, jesus christ.. how can people argue otherwise? just admit you wanna angle shoot and man up boys

i'd only grant an exception to people who don't know any better

people who don't know what any better?
if announcing your hand is clearly an angle, then anything short of turning your hand over is also an angle. we even have one guy in here claiming the victory flip is an angle. again, show your hand if you want to win a showdown. otherwise, you have given up your right to the pot.

[maton808]

I fail to see the problem with this.

If the boardruns out 669J6 and you hold AJ do you announce your hand as a boat, or a pair of jacks?

[Daliman]

Originally Posted by FxwoodsTrav

If I know that it will tilt some nitty former internet player complete with massive headphones and a hoodie, I will call my hand out as loud and as obnoxious as possible. I may even say "all reds" or "all black" if I have a flush, or other such nonsense.

The game is all about human interaction, if you are the type of dude who doesn't want to have any with another person, you may be in the wrong business.

I put the chances that this guy has played higher than 1-3 in his life at 18%


Also, for the record, this is FOR SURE done more by guys who have played a LOT of poker and know exactly what they are doing, and not once have I seen someone I consider to be a winning player do it. Most noobs don't really consider their hand to be two pair there. Also, now 2+ years later, the vast majority of the time their pair is under top pair, as it was back then.

Originally Posted by maton808

I fail to see the problem with this.

If the boardruns out 669J6 and you hold AJ do you announce your hand as a boat, or a pair of jacks?

It's not the same.

[grabber]

Originally Posted by equalsfour?

if person mucks from not seeing paired board they deserve to lose, no?

that's an angle

[PimpLotta]

I always show my hand at the same time Im saying it. Do people really say what they have and just leave their cards hidden??

BTW, I always say I have 2 pair in that situation, never thought of it as and angle... I think its pretty weird to say anything else. If the board reads 33387 and I have KK I dont say I have a pair, me got some house baby.

[unrealzeal]

I'm grunching but I was playing with an old Guy who couldn't see the cards well..he got to showdown by calling three streets...his opponent announced two pair but laid down K high for a stone bluff...the old Guy mucked

[wheelflush]

How is that relevant?

[BeLikeWater]

Not an angle. If you fold your bigger pair (which would make a bigger two pair) you deserve to lose.

[Hardball47]

Could be used as an angle, but it's not one.

[GrimeRat420]

Originally Posted by unrealzeal

I'm grunching but I was playing with an old Guy who couldn't see the cards well..he got to showdown by calling three streets...his opponent announced two pair but laid down K high for a stone bluff...the old Guy mucked

How is this not penalized? If the old guy doesnt know better, as a reg id call floor over for him

[sorry hage]

I've seen it as an annoying nit-roll many times. J9963 player bets, i call. they say "two pair" I fast roll AJ thinking i have the nuts, old man winter takes his sweet time turning over QQ.

I agree usually someone with the smaller pair or a small pocket pair blurts it out. By their intention it is clearly an angle, but they have no f clue its horrible poker etiquette.

[POW9199]

Originally Posted by Daliman

Now, when I see someone do that, I usually say "He has two pair with the board pair" or something similar.

Dont agree, i dont do it myself, but if you muck the best hand, you deserve to lose.

But i do find it annoying if people start talking like you describe, esp if they where not involved in the hand

[FUrake]

Some people in my local casino do this aswell and its 100% an angle attempt as they only seem to do it to people who seen inexperienced or have been drinking, annoys me aswell